Integrated amp plus receiver?

You can actually do this very easily. First, you put together the 2-channel music rig. So, connect the Triangles to the output of the integrated amp. Also, if you have a dedicated music source such as a CD player, connect its analog outputs to the integrated amp, ie CD>Integrated>Speakers. OK, now you have a good 2-channel music rig.

To integrate the HT receiver into this, it is helpful to have an integrated amp with an HT bypass/processor loop, but it is not absolutely necessary.

OK, for HT, connect the pre-amp outputs from the Rotel into the HT bypass inputs (or any unused input if no HT bypass loop) of the Integrated amp. Connect the center speaker, surrounds and LFE subwoofer to the corresponding speaker outputs on the Rotel. Connect any HT sources (DVD, VCR, Cable box, sattelite receiver, etc) to the inputs of the HT receiver. That's it.

So, for 2-channel listening, you just turn on the integrated amp and source component and enjoy! For HT, also turn on the Rotel and push the HT bypass button (or just select the corresponding HT input source if the Int. Amp doesn't have HT bypass loop). In this setup, the volume control of the Rotel will control the volume of all channels.

The HT bypass loop basically turns the integrated amp into a power amp, thus bypassing the pre-amp control functions of the the integrated. If the integrated amp you buy does not have an HT bypass, you would simply need to set the integrated amps volume to a pre-determined position (maybe top-dead-center) each time you use HT.

I have had several setups exactly like this over the last few years. Some integrated amps that I owned were Arcam Alpha 10, Anthem Integrated 2, Plinius 8200. Each had an HT bypass/processor loop and they all worked well.

Although this may not be EXACTLY what you asked for, it is truely the best of both worlds as the 2-channel rig is totally unaffected by the HT systems potential sonic shortcomings. But in this setup, the integrated is powering the front L&R speakers regardless of wether you are listening to 2-channel music or 5.1-7.1 channel HT.

I hope this helps. Feel free to e-mail me if you don't understand the information in this post.

Enjoy,

TIC

If you don't mind running your HT signal through both the AV and 2-channel preamps, then Mike's solution should work fine, with the cautions later about setting the volume control. I was thinking you'd want to plug the Rotel directly into the amp section of the integrated, in which case you'd need some way to block the signal coming through the integrated's preamp section when you're playing HT. I'm not familiar with the HT bypass/processor loop feature TIC mentions, but it sounds like it would do the job.

Bomarc, HT bypass on integrated TIC refers to will bi-pass it's volume control and pass through signal. With Mike's solution you are setting integrated's volume control to unity gain so as to remove it's effect on signal pass through. Both work fine.

So it sounds like it will work. I'm looking for a short list of integrateds that I can check out. So far I see-Audiomat Arpege, Meridian(way out of my price range), Arcam Alpha 10, Anthem Integrated 2, and the Plinius 8200. I would also like to try the Musical Fidelity offering. Any other integrated model suggestions would be appreciated. I am probably going to have to keep the price down below $1500, so will look at pre-owned. I have about six months before I will be ready to purchase the integrated, so in the mean time I can play with the Rotel and just enjoy the music. You've all been a big help. I went to the local B&M and asked them the same question. You would not believe all the confused looks I got, and no answers.

Thanks for all your help!

Danny

Betelgeus, I am doing something similar to Ruebent's suggestion. What I did is have all video sources, ctr and rear speakers to the AVR and the cdp and front speakers to the int. amp. What you need is an integrated with a pre-out on it. This makes it easier for subwoofer connections. I did do numerous and various connections to both components with success. The only drawback was getting the sub to work its best for both music and movies. I tried everything to get the bass perfect, by changing settings large and small, sub from int. amp or receiver and whatever, but it was not the same, close, but not the same as coming directly from whatever amp or receiver for its intended purpose. Probably to many cables and pre amp stages involved to cause colorations in the sound. The only way to get the bass the way I want it is to make or get a switch box so I can switch the sub to whatever I want to use it for. Other than that, everything works fine with no other complaints. Any questions, email or post.