Trouble w/VAC Standard 220's & Thiel CS 6's ?


Just moving into tube amplification with these 220's. I've been very pleased the Theils but found with solid state that they liked alot of juice. I hoped these VACs would do the trick but I'm having doubts. At higher listening levels things seem to be piling up a bit. The four KT88's must be working very hard. Also the gain on these amps is the highest I've ever encountered. I'm limited to the lowest quarter on my CAT SL-1 mk3 volume control. I also don't get the feedback control. Sounds pretty bad except in the first position. Would love to hear from someone with more knowledge about these VACs.
apcdan
Dear Apcdan:

My apologies -- I completely forgot to address your query about feedback.

All VAC amps have excellent power supplies and should have absolutely no trouble driving your Thiels with zero feedback (although the bigger Thiels, for their part, allegedly have complex crossovers that suck amps dry).

You should experiment, obviously, but feedback is generally a pernicious thing that should be avoided if possible. Feedback will help control woofers if there is a real mismatch between your amps and speakers (i.e., where the amps just can't control the woofers), but generally speaking, adding feedback flattens out the sound and can quickly make a tube amp sound like a bad, two-dimensional solid-state amp. In addition, and very importantly, an amp using feedback sounds worse the more you turn up the volume, as the sound hardens.

Make sure the amps have been warmed up for a good hour before you play music (15 minutes definitely is NOT enough).

I would set the amps for zero feedback, and very thoroughly run them through their paces with all kinds of music over a number of hours. They should sound better at all volume levels this way. You have a great preamp, amps and speakers, so the sound should be absolutely top-notch.

I'm confident that your only problem will be too much preamp gain (which really isn't a problem inasmuch as it is easily remedied).

Good luck.
Raquel, Thanks for your thoughtful response. It helps to have a little incouragement. The VACs are a whole new ball game for me and its taking some time to settle in. The CAT has been a fabulous pre-amp and I would hate to have to move it to solve the problem. Maybe the amps need to go? I do plan on calling Kevin. Your thoughts were very appreciated. apcdan
one thing i might add... i think that vac do a great deal of their testing with thiel speakers, in fact i was recommended to try out thiels by kevin. hence i would suggest that raquel is right and that the problem lays elsewhere...