enough watts to drive these speakers? Help?


Greetings all,

I've got a friend with 89db efficent speakers playing in a 12'x15'x8' bedroom. He's looking at getting a 8 or 10 watt, low powered SET amp and is concerned if his speakers will play "loud enough".
He usually listens to classical and jazz at "moderate" levels at the loudest.

I compute that he should be getting 95db using only 4watts and the room should give a little more, perhaps 2db.

Are my calculations correct?

Anyone else that has a similar setup and can comment if it's loud and dynamic enough?

Thanks and happy listening!
myraj
Bombaywalla, wouldn't moving back from 1 meter to 2 meters result in a 3 dB loss, not a 6 dB loss?
Bombay pointed out an important factor i.e. seated listening distance vs apparent spl. Having said that, one can't calculate the reduction in spl based on distance without knowing what type radiation pattern the speaker makes use of. Some speakers "project" sound into the distance in a more linear manner than others.

As a side note, the first receiver that i ever had was rated at 12 wpc driving speakers that were around 88 dB's or so. While it wasn't the cleanest ( not by a LONG shot ), this little "beast" could play pretty loud. This was with highly compressed hard rock i.e. "demanding" music that put a steady strain on the amp / power supply. Given that tubes tend to clip in a much more "usable" manner ( SS sounds like HELL ), and the dynamic nature of most classical and jazz music, even with "conventional" front firing boxes, i think that he'll be okay. That is, so long as "moderate" is all that is required. One would also have to assume that this is a secondary system since it is going in the bedroom. Sean
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My listening room at home is just about the same size as your friends. My current system there is Soliloquy 5.3 speakers which are 90db floorstanders, paired off with George Wright Mono 10's which are 10 watt monoblocks (push-pull 2A3 based amps). Plenty of power for the size of the room, but as has been said, don't expect chest-pounding bass. My system can play at very 'satisfying' volumes and remains engaging at low volume as well. YMMV depending on which amp and which speakers you end up pairing off. Being a 2A3 based system it is all about midrange and leaves a bit to be desired in the low end. I've tried in the same room pairing off 8 watt 300B SET amps with 89db Silverline SR-17 monitors. Though they did sound wonderful at very moderate volumes, this combination did not work at all well when the volume went over about 88db (I'd guess). Numbers don't always tell the whole story. But I think the general speculations and expectations given his taste for jazz is a good bet for a nice solution if done with care and consideration for synergy.

Marco
Good points Marco. My comments referencing the 300B pertained to some "manufacturers" claiming that their single 2A3 per channel ( or similar tube ) will do 8 - 10 wpc. Since you're amp is not a SET and each tube is only doing half the work, it is possible for two 2A3's to make that kind of power.

The reason that i mention this is that i remember a speaker manufacturer measuing a certain SET amp that was advertised at 8 wpc. The person that had bought their speakers was using this amp and complained that the speakers weren't as sensitive as the manufacturer stated. That is, 8 watts should have driven the speakers, but it wasn't. The speaker manufacturer wanted to see what the deal was, so they checked the amp. When it came down to it, the amp was having a hard time doing 3-4 wpc, which just wasn't enough. As such, one should look at the tube compliment of the output stage along with the rated power output. If you've got one tiny tube per channel, don't count on ore than a very few watts at most. Bigger tubes typically have bigger plates and can pass more power, offering higher output levels. One can also achieve this by paralleling multiple tubes or running multiple tubes in push-pull fashion ( like Marco's amps ). Buyer beware... Sean
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Fatparrot,

Just saw your comments.
6dB loss in SPL per doubling of distance is correct! We are not talking about a power measurement here; rather, a voltage measurement when we read off SPL on a meter. Hence, 20*log() rather than 10*log(). Another thing is that since it is a ratio (SPL at 1m vs. SPL at 2m) when we do a divide operation, the impedance cancels out.
Hope that this clarifies.