integrateds in the modern age: consensus?


Hi everyone,

Integrated amps are pretty well established now as a viable component category. I don't think are many people left who scoff at the basic concept of an integrated.

Is there any sort of general consensus that has been reached on the issue of integrateds vs. separates at a given price point? As in, would a great $5000 integrated -generally- be considered equivalent in standing to a great $2500 preamp plus a great $2500 power amp? The answer's probably no, but I thought it would be interesting to see.
lousyreeds1
Plinius 9100 & 9200 are definitely on my short list. I have to drive about 6 hours to hear one though, unless I care to order without an audition.
Have not an integrated yet with a TVC.

Pots and electonic/digital volume attenuators leave something to be desired IMHO.

YMMV of course.
If I were into SS sound I would have an integrated amp provided it had high power and current delivery capacity so it could drive different speakers easily. That way I wouldn't have to buy a new unit if I changed speakers. But I'm not.....

I like tubes and I like the flexibility of being able to make tonal adjustments by just changing tubes to accomodate different placements, rooms, speakers or new source equipment. Having a pre-amp gives me one more location to make changes (although I rarely mess with the pre-amp). Tinkering can be fun on a rainy day! :-)
here's a shocker.....last time i checked, many worthy tube pre amps as well as ss integrateds had tone controls..... everyone from saul marantz to frank mcintosh saw as a way to adjust your stereo system's balance to the room it is in. this beats changing tubes everytime you scoot your speakers around or move to a different room or change listening chairs
I am a current owner of the Edge G3, this after years of seperates and other integrateds. I am completely happy with the G3, match it with a great source (for me the Naim CDX2) and speakers and it works. It works better for me then most seperates. I must admit WAF and space drove me to take a close look at integrateds.

I am reviewer for Positive-feedback.com and have had the chance to listen to several integrateds. My review of the Plinius 9100 and the G3 will be posted soon.

If I had a dedicated listening room and mucho $$$ of course I could do better. All in all I am not feeling the least bit deprived.