An observation about "Modern" classical music.


As I sat in my car, waiting for my wife as usual, I listened to a local classical music station which happened to be playing some "modern" music. I don't like it, being an old fart who likes Mozart and his ilk. But, as I had nothing else to do, I tried to appreciate what I heard. No luck, but I did notice something I have experienced before but never thought about. At the end, there was a dead silence of 3 to 5 seconds before audience applause. This never happens with, for example, Mozart where the final notes never get a chance to decay before the applause and Bravos. Obviously (IMHO) the music was so hard to "follow" that the audience were not sure it was over until nothing happened for a while.

I know that some guys like this music, but haven't you noticed this dead time? How do you explain it?
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Lousyreeds1...On a different subject..I am curious, about your user name. Does it mean you can't sing, or do you have problems with your clarinet?
That last post from Lousyreeds cuts to the heart of this issue very nicely, though might be a bit hard on Robm 321.

At the outset, let me say that I am not a musician and my last music class was in the 7th grade. My parents weren't interested in serious music, so I developed an interest almost by chance. My first purchases were a set of Beethoven symphonies, the Bach St. John Passion, and the Mahler 9th, (for a total of $20). Pretty quickly I discovered Stravinsky, which really primed the "modern" pump for me, but it took a long time before I could really enjoy Mahler. Sometime later I started attending live concerts. Over the last 35 years, I have developed a great love for a wide variety of music from Heinrich Schutz to John Adams. I spend as much time listening to Shostakovich as I do Bach, and love them both equally --- but--- I bet I've never listened to them both in the same sitting.

I heard the world premier of Lohrmann's Symphonisches Stuck this year. In the preconcert lecture, the interviewer asked Lohrmann what the audience should listen for. He answered, "Don't listen for anything, you either feel the music or you don't." I also heard Berg's Three Pieces for Orchestra this year. The conductor offered this advice to the audience. "I programmed this work because every musician should play this music once in his career. All of you should hear this music. This is difficult music. It is like Goethe's Faust. One does not really like Faust, but one should be aware of it."

These are two very different points of view. Most listeners tend to approach music from the former point of view. We are tired, stressed, harried, and harassed, more in need of a Haydn Missa Brevis than a difficult and disturbing mystery. In making this choice, we gain something, but also loose an opportunity. Much of the music of the last 100 years is worthwhile, important, and deserves to be played, heard, and recorded.

I find the body of serialism uniformly difficult. For me, these works require a live performance where there is more to the experience than following the tune in one's listening room. Even then, it takes wisdom in making programming choices, hard work from the musicians, and careful explanation in pre-concert lectures and program notes. With enough similar exposure, I might begin to understand this music, and be the better for the effort it takes. However, as I look around the concert hall, I notice that the response is tepid, at best. I also notice that most of the audience probably won't be around 20 years from now, and that worries me very much. Alas, free market forces are everywhere, even where they probably shouldn't be.

So, in answer to the call for accessible modern music, let me toss out a few suggestions. Shostakovich quartets, especially 6, 8, and 10. Prokofiev Symphony #5. Bartok, Divermento for String Orchestra. John Adams, almost anything. The Copland piano concerto--fun music!
Hi Brownsfan, fantastic post! I've never heard of Lohrmann, can you tell me a bit about him? Always looking for something new... Are you in Cleveland (I ask because of the moniker)? The Cleveland orch's relationship with Boulez has spawned a lot of great performances of new music.

Shosty quartet #3 is also wonderful.
I have three recommendations for modern classical music that I find more approachable:

1. Arvo Part's Cantus In Memoriam Benjamin Britten - Fratres - Tabula Rasa - Spiegel im Spiegel
2. Schoenberg's String Quartets 1 to 4 (Phillips Classics)
3. Messiaen's Preludes - Etudes - Canteyodjaya (Arte Nova Classics)

Please bear with my stumbling through this - I am a psychologist and not a musicologist and my comments come from past reading (which is distant) and recent listening.

Part is probably the most approachable as the works mentioned above and are based on his studies of Gregorian Chant and Renaissance music. Part's later music (mentioned above) is based on simple harmonies, single notes, and triad chords.

It has taken a little time to appreciate Schoenberg, but in retrospect, it was time well spent. Schoenberg's four String Quartets have both "atonal" and "tonal" features, depending on the quartet. The 12 tone technique, serialism and "atonality" are distinct in the 2nd and 3rd quartet. The third quartet, in particular, has series that cannot be followed (anticipated) and consists of rhythmic patterns that are not fixed. For me, it is the lack of predictability in music that ultimately holds together that is interesting. My wife listened to it tonight and commented that the music sounds like an orchestra tuning instruments before playing. However, to me, after listening to his music for a while, each piece does make sense, although I'm not able to explain how. All of the four quartets are fruitful and fulfilling, especially the 3rd. I also maintain that this music can produce an anxious state which is interesting in itself.

IMO, Messiaen's work is probably the hardest of the three that I suggested to appreciate. His music is rhythmically complex and is based on scales with steps that he developed. His music also has influences from the rhythms from ancient Greek and from Hindu sources. In Etudes, he takes Schoenberg's technique further by introducing serialism of timbres, intensities and durations. That is, these become recurring series of elements that are manipulated throughout the piece.