Both of you, Audioears AND Carl, belong in a private site where you won't be ruining a perfectly legitimate discussion. Audioears, we get the point that you prefer Bryston, and they do make excellent products. I own a BP-25 preamp. Carl, anyone who has ever read an Audiogon discussion knows that you are a Krell fanatic. I personally don't care for their products, and I do not understand how you can continue to insist that they are the BEST amplifiers if your hearing is anywhere nearly as good as you constantly brag it is. Now please stop this childish hurling of insults, which is growing quite tiresome, and get back to the original topic. I believe Clayton makes some of the best valued, best sounding SS amps at any price level. They sound so different from any other SS I've ever heard. I'm sure there are better, especially tubed, but not that I've heard.