Shelf Material

Dekay, just to add that we have utilized MDF and found that anything less than 1" don't work so well. As you have two MDF sheets cut already, try mounting them with the off-center hole cut one on top of the solid sheet with a space between the two of approx 1" (use whatever solid footers you have to seperate them). Mount this arrangement on more footers or spikes and place a selected component on top. Listen and trial by varying the "air gap" between the two MDF shelves. If you find that it works for you, then you can start to experiment and fine tune by filling the "air gap" with different materials. BTW, applying a finish coat to the MDF will drastically alter the "sound" of this arrangement. If any of this makes sense and you try it, let me know what you find...?? Richard. www.vantageaudio.com

Dekay, My intent was a semi-controlled experiment to note the effects of reduced mass of shelving of the same materials, and not a comparison of hardwoods vs. mdf. I was expecting that your response would take a minimum of week or more because of the time it takes just to familiarise oneself with the character of different materials. I am not a proponent of mdf,btw and have intentionally stayed away from specific recommendations in materials in this most interesting thread. Best, Ken

I can report on experiments 131a and 131b. A friend who likes acrylic shelves told me they were best, not on spikes, but on a hardish damping sheet - some of which he lent to me. So if you recall I found the Corian to be OK on spikes if one used a soft footer or bladder product - experiment 131. So I tried the damping pads in place of the spikes and removed the soft footers and bladders - 131a. The result was better in this configuration 131a - and I was beginning to feel that this was a pretty good result. It was around about midnight, but I said "what the heck" and began experiment 131b. This time I used 300lb strain guage nylon (the 100lb stuff definitely stetched too much and the nylon coated steel rang like a steel string on a guitar) to suspend the Corian. Now it was getting late, and I was a bit tired, but first impressions were very favourable indeed. Experiment 131b rules at this point and the 300lb nylon cable showed absolutely no visible signs of stretch even when subjecting it to loads over 50lbs (after all I am suspending each shelf with four threads and so they can theoretically go up to 1200lbs). Resonance effects on the sound are now very low indeed, and I have some ideas of how to reduce them further. In conclusion, I think the suspension idea has considerable merit and that very thick nylon is better than steel. The Corian is a two edged sword however. It does ping, and I am sure there are still small vestiges of this in configuration 131b, but it otherwise has an excellent top end and bottom end, and the dynamics are very natural indeed. It may still very well be that if I find an ideal shelf material, that sitting on spikes may get closer to the results with suspension. This would get over the problem of the transport swaying after the CD has loaded, for example. But right now, suspension is sounding great - and believe it or not, my beautiful wife Sonia thinks it is "cute". For those of you that really love soundstaging - you have got to try this suspension thing - the depth of field is stunning.

Thanks for your kind thoughts on beaming me the slab Dekay. But 100lbs would normally cost about $US400 to get here, and that assumes they don't sting me for the awkward shape. I do actually have a cheaper way which is to get a NZ freight company to pick it up in the US. I am checking out the maple idea and seeing where the best prices are, but I am keen also to try the Neuance shelf which Caterham 1700 is kindly helping me with.

Caterham 1700. I have posted it off to you and it will get to you early next week - in fact the plane it is on arrives in the US today Saturday. The Caterham motors were lovely creatures. You may or may not know that when Lotus aborted the Lotus 7 Mark IV, it licensed it to various companies, including one here in New Zealand - Christchurch to be precise. With its light fibreglass body it was at the time the fifth fastest production car ever made for 0 to 60mph. Above that its poor aerodynamics slowed its acceleration and the front wheel arches - they were really just protruding pieces of plastic - waved alarmingly. They were not as graceful looking as the Europas, Elites, Elans and Esprits that I played around with, but they were one heck of an exciting (and occasionally wet) way to get to work in the morning.