Blind Listening Tests?


I would like help locating any articles or studies on the subject of blind listening tests as it relates to high end audio equipment. I realize this is akin to blasphemy for many who are into this hobby, however, the more times I read of people claiming to hear audible differences between certain components and system set-ups, the more skeptical I become.(e.g. equipment racks ,interconnects,etc.)The fact that virtually every major audio publication is so adamently against the idea only adds to my skepticism.

Before I invoke the wrath of this site's faithful, let me clarify that I am not doubting the sincerity of those who claim to hear sonic differences between certain components. However, believing that an audible difference exists when one knows that he is listening to a piece of equipment that is generally well regarded or made by a well respected manufacturer is entirely different from being able to detect the difference in a blind listening scenario. Given the undisputed connection between the mind and our perceptions, why is there so much sentiment against such tests? Couldn't the results of such testing be simply another piece of information that we could factor in to our purchasing decisions. It seems to me that those who are so sure of ther critical listening ability (i.e. all stereophile reviewers) should not hesitate to prove their skills.

I look forward to any help in directing me to more information on the subject.Thanks, Don.
dtittle
Yes JD, you make sense, Holland is close to Germany, but then you should only klick heels, wearing those funny wooden sandals, the Dutch are famous for and that's also why all the SACD stuff needs wooden cones...and besides stereo, did you also try multi channel and did you use one or serveral power purifiers at the time? I am sure your powercables were Master Couplers, weren't they, but then probably Jostler the wizard will prove me wrong. But all the same I would like to ask him, if one or more ladies were inadvertedly to sit on the gear fired on, would that cause a brown out? Oh and don't worry JD, I won't play with positions at all. I've got my speakers on cones you see.
Oh heck JD, I forgot France as well. My Jadis stuff just hates it, when I click my heels. All the tubes flare up red in a very dangerous fashion and then there is a bubbly sound through my Quads, like that of VICHY water being poured. Maye I should be kissed by a princess and be turned into a frog and then klick my heels. that might work for the Jadis. But I don't know any royalty.....and I don't know how frogs hear. Jademo you are the scientist, how do frogs hear?
Sorry, not JD, Jostler is the scientist i meant.....and ahem Jostler:
1. You cannot train gullibility. What you can train is to be a better charlatan in knowingly to pretend to hear differences, which are not there or to pretend not to hear differences which are there. You cannot train something which is preconscious--like gullibility, suggestibility, naivite and such.

2. Scientists who study hearing do so in controlled circumstances which are generally carefully limited to a few essential parameters. All this has nothing to do with the complexity of a musical event, be it live or in audio. The science of psychoaccoustics is still completely in its infancy. So far there are no satisfying explantations why music does to us what it does, except for a few isolated facts, like that frequencies below 16hz or so, will scare the shit out of us. Will induce awe. (Used in the church with a decent organ and by the ancients in battle)
I am sooooo mad! I've held back from all of you on this blind testing thing, and now... Geeze I'm mad!
I've been running a controlled lab test using 150 non-related white rats from all over the world. I've had each one implanted with an electrode at the stem of there brain to monitor there reaction to sound. Of the 150 total, 20 were set as a control group and only listened to standard power cords. The rest had varying periods with standard cords and periods with differing "designer cords" I was 5 1/5 months into a six month study when it appears that either 70242.241 or P.E.T.A. broke into my lab, broke my computers and released all the rats. This of course is not only the end of my study, but sadly the end of the rats. The implants do not allow these rats to hear anything unless they are plugged in to there headphones. So sadly they are perfect targets for cats, birds and cars. I found two squished outside my lab this morning. A full investigation will be conducted to find these audio haters. Luck for all of us, all my records were backed up and in a safe here at home. I can only share preliminary findings at this time, but the results are startling.
First glaring fact, and I might add a major concern has to do with my control group. It seems that of the 20 rats exposed only to standard power cords, 15 of them (that's 75% for you scientists) have a rare form of inner ear cancer! Coincidence, I think not. This alone is worth the value of the study, but some other facts can also be gleamed from this preliminary information. It was found that in 90% of the cases the rats had lower heart rates and greater brain activities when exposed to designer cords. Conversely while rats were exposed to standard power cords the brain waves were identical to Jeffry Dommer. Coincidence I think not. Now each rat was exposed to differing amounts of time with designer cords, and some very interesting facts came to light. There was a direct correlation between the amount of time on a designer cord and there I.Q. along with there taste in music. It seems that the control group were only settled when top 40's pop was played. The next level group (20% designer cord) were only content when listening to disco and country. On the other end of the spectrum, the group exposed to 80% designer cords preferred classical and jazz, but not any jazz, Coltrane and Davis it seems were there preferred choices. The group with 100% exposure seem to show a very wide array or musical preference, but oddly they only seemed truely content with high quality recordings. Coincidence, I think not. Now I had also discussed the variance in I.Q. This study was not intended to measure an I.Q. to power cord relationship, so all this is subject to further study. We did have a series of rudimentary tasks we asked each rat to preform, and while not conclusive it was of interest. The control group was able to successfully complete only 15% of the tasks while the group exposed to 60% or more designer cord were completing the tasks with 100% success. Now this in it's self is not indicative of I.Q. alone, but could also be explained with there level of contentment. The startling fact was that the group exposed to 100% designer cords would ONLY except the Wall Street Journal for the bottom of there cage. Coincidence, I think not.
Sadly for all who are interested in the "advancement of high quality audio" A.O.H.Q.A. due to the alarmingly high percentage of cancer cases in the control group, the entire study must be sent to The National Cancer Research Facility for further review. So the results will not be made public until a conclusion can be arrived at regarding the cancer issues.
In the mean time I am starting a new group to combat the sick people of P.E.T.A. I'm calling it P.E.T.A.F.F. (People eating tasty animals for fun) If your interested in joining just let me know.
J.D.
Detlof: Psychoacoustics is about a century old now, which is pretty long in the tooth for an infant. And it's not about music. It's about perception of sound, of which music is a complex example. (How music moves us emotionally is another field entirely, but if you can't hear it--or feel it, in the case of that pipe organ--it isn't going to move you.) Also, the complexity of musical sounds actually makes it harder to hear subtle differences, not easier. People generally score higher on blind tests using test tones. So those "limited parameters" actually give us an upper bound for what is audible using a musical source.