Do true audiophiles own Mcintosh gear


It seems like all the high-end dealers I have bought from or talked to think that Mcintosh is living on it's past reputation. The 2 stores that carry it locally are more mid-fi stores than high-end. I have a friend that swears by it but he hasn't listened to his Mcintosh in over 2 years. What do you think?
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This is an interesting discussion. McIntosh has always been a class act. I have owned and still own (MR78) some of their equipment since 1969 when I bought a MA5100. I worked hifi retail in the 1970s and sold their equipment with no qualms and great enthusiasm. Over the course of time I met several Mac people, including Davey O'Brien, who ran their amplifier clinics, Gordon Gow, and Jim Carroll come to mind, there were others. Their equipment is built to very high standards and is quite reliable. I would say that it sounds very good, but is generally not - at least in most cases - what audiophiles (i.e. equipment centric people) are looking for. Because it is expensive and has a striking appearance it most definitely is a status symbol. People with a lot of money find it attractive. Since it looks good and sounds good, people who like music find it desirable. McIntosh has taken the high road over the years in terms of their marketing. Their clinics were a classic example. Another would be their insistence that their dealers buy expensive Wild-Herrbrugg microscopes and test equipment to check phono cartridges at a time when they did not offer phono equipment. They realized, however, that people in their target market appreciated and needed holistic support to get the most out of their expensive stereo systems. The company also spent time with their dealers covering not only floor layout and sound room design, but even holding training sessions on how to dress, how to greet customers, how to sell and so on for the sales staff. McIntosh was and is a remarkable company. No one ever got hurt buying McIntosh.

One funny anecdote about their speakers. The original speakers were the ML series, ML1, ML2, and ML4. When they came on the market, the store I was working at already had JBL SL8R and Paragon, Klipschorns, and Bozak Concert Grands on the floor. Since the ML4 and the Concert Grands seemed similar we paired them in the same room. Mac was not happy, but there was no room unless we dropped an existing line, something the store owner was not willing to do. Well we continued to sell Bozaks quite well, I think the Mac speakers actually helped Bozak sales. Anyway, eventually the K-horns went, and Mac had a room to dominate and they did better without ever becoming a big seller for us. Bozak and JBL continued to do very well. Then and now I think of Mac as a amplifier company above all else, and by the way, they offer speakers that seem pricey and don't sell well.

As for tuners, the MR78 is the best tuner they ever made, and they have made good tuners over the years. I like the sound of it and the selectivity and sensitivity of it really well. FM is still vibrant and alive and this tuner is a joy to listen to.
People can criticize McIntosh gear all they want but it is durable, well-made, aesthetically pleasing, sounds good, and holds its value. Not saying it is perfect, but I also don't understand where all the criticism comes from.
The criticism if any be fair is that it is very expensive and that the sound quality not as wonderful as some would hope for such a high price. I think it works well in classic combinations, I own a 50W SS MC amp amp it does work with the my Klipsch speakers of that same general vintage. I think better sound can be had otherwise `obviously.....
J_stereo, I think the criticism is from there being better sounding and cheaper equipment, but I agree that many like it looks and sounds good and holds its money.
To me, it's a bit like the Rolex paradigm. The common person thinks Rolex is the best watch in the world because it's expensive and, if you're wearing a Rolex, you must have money. When I see someone wearing a Rolex, I assume the person is only wearing it as a status symbol and they're not really into watches. (I realize, of course, that this is not always the case.) There are far better watches and far more expensive watches but almost everyone knows the Rolex brand to be an expensive status symbol.

McIntosh doesn't have the same widespread brand recognition, so my comparison might be a bit off. On the other hand, I would hope that, if you're arbitrarily spending $5000+ on an Mac amp, you're at least mildly interested in listening to music and not just looking to impress a few friends who might know the McIntosh name.

I sure dig those blue lights, though... ;-)