vandersteen 2ce sig/ 3a sig power requirements

You're right about tubes-- when I switched from Musical Fidelity A300 (150 w ) to antique Sound Lab 1001 (50w ) the sound went to a whole new level on my 2ceSigs.

I currently am on my second pair of Vandersteen 3A sigs (nothing wrong with the first pair, just tried something different for awhile). I don't think you will be satisfied with just 60 watts of power.
In fact, they are really best when vertically bi-amped which means two amps per speaker. That doesn't have to be as expensive as it sounds. I first started out with a Audio Research 100 mk amp which mated well with the Vandys. Then, to experiment with vertical bi-amping, I switched to a used Theata Dreadnaugt with 5 channels. One, of course, goes unused (now I have a back up :) ). I would never go back to a single amp per channel with the 3A sigs.

Atagi, I found the Belles amp not to give up anything in soundstaging or any other significant factor. The amp ws reviewed in Soundstage(www.soundstage.com) by Doug Blackburn who also uses the 3A Signatures. I actually became interested in this amp because of the sterling review. After owning it now for a year, I have to agree with him on all counts. It is a great amp and leaves nothing to be desired.
This amp replaced a Theta Dreadnaught I 4-ch amp. I felt the Belles was a little more neutral and certainly better in the bottom. The Theta is a great amp but mine hummed fairly loudly. Theta knew of the problem but wanted over a $1000 to fix it. The answer was going to dual transformers. Seemed they had a power transformer issue. I felt this was a little bit on the crappy side considering the price of the amp. It had a warm, transparent sound but seemed a touch dynamically limited. I understand the mk.II was the cure for this but lost some of the warmth in the process.
I did use both amps with a tube preamp. I now use an Audible Illusions L-2(one excellent preamp) I also use a pair of 2wq's. I'm very satisfied with the system as it stands.
I have tried numerous tube amps and other solid state amps and this is what I've decided on. Of course your prefered sound could very well ride with tubes. A lot of people do. I will say, with this combo, I don't see how it gets much better. The speakers absolutely disappear with such solid imaging and a real sense of space. (I've also spent a lot of time on the room and setup)
Read the review and see if it perks your interest. For me, a tube amp was a pain in the butt. Those output tubes must be replaced more often than you think for peak performance. They are also expensive. That is the main reason I searched out suitable solid state. I'm kind of a low maintenance guy. The preamp tubes are enough for me. I do think this combo delivers a very good sound (pairing a tube preamp with a solid state amp) Good luck and just be a little careful with that synergy with the 3A Sigs. They can be incredible with the right stuff but pretty bad with the wrong stuff. They definitely deserve the best electronics you can afford. You will be richly rewarded.

thanks again bigtee, have added jolida jd1000a 100 watt tube integrated and belles 250i hybrid integrated to the list, i think the amp i choose will be temporary solution until i can rationalize spending more bucks. originally planned to spend only 4k as this is my first system. will demo jolida at home, and also demo 60 watt integrated at the dealer with the 3's before deciding on amp. listen to alot of orchestral music and like a big soundstage outside of the speakers.

aloha keith

In the past I have owned a pair of Vandersteen 2 C's I paired with an Aaragon 4004 and Audible Illusions 2C pre. I agree with Bigtee that the ss amp and tube pre combo give you most of the tube benefits without the tweaking and maintainence a tube amp demands.
I have not found a speaker at the 2CE Sig's price point that offers such even and musical sound without some glaring fault that, for me, leads to speaker fatigue i.e. lack of bottom end, glaring or steely highs, etc. For this reason the 2CE Sigs will probably be my next system upgrade from my current vintage 15 amp Rogers LS3/5 a's. I would be most interested, Ataqi, in how you find the match with the Belles 250i and the rest of the amps on your list. On paper (power, specs, tube pre, etc.) it seems as if it would be a wonderful match if the amp is as musical as touted.
I understand that Richard Vandersteen voices his speakers through ARC gear so I have been hoping to hear the 2CE Sigs through some of this gear as well, perhaps a 100.2 amp and tube linestage or the new 150.2 integrated.

--Listen with your heart, vote with your dollars... it's all about the music!
Ron