One simple question- When do go beyond the critical listening and get to enjoying the music? It sickens me to here the banter of this. The krell lifted the veil over the midrange or the plinius sounds so much more robust and authoritative in the lower frequencies. The Cello amps sound so much more liquid and not so solid as the Thresholds. My amp can beat up your amp. It's all B/S. There is one question that most audiophiles need to ponder, Do I love the music or the toys. I won't be visiting this site very often any more, I'm sure this won't upset anybody. The whole thing stinks of petty little personal issues and whiney little people.