speaker synergy and halo jc-1's


Ok, I did it. After much discussion and debate, I have purchased a pair of jc-1 monoblocks. I am in a somewhat isolated area, but my local dealer has been of much help and so we are compiling a list of speakers to try out with these amps. The short list so far is:

B&W 802D/803D
Totem Forest and/or Wind
Gallo Nucleus Ref3

This is currently what he stocks, but he maybe getting the Hyperion HPS 938. He also has access to Wilson Sophia's, but I won't be able to listen to them with my amps.

I have heard the vr4jr's using a BAT system through another dealer and I can probably get them to use for direct comparison.

My room is 14 x 16 feet with 8 foot vaulted ceilings. One side is open directly to a staircase, but the speakers won't be firing towards this side.

I listen to a bit of everything, but would say that electronic, rock and pop predominate my listening habits.

I haven't chosen my source cd yet- thinking wadia, audio aero or consonance droplet to try. Don't get me started with cables...

My question: Of the speakers I have listed (B&W, Totem, Gallo, Hyperion, Wilson or VR4jr) which would be most synergistic with the jc-1's? Any others you would add to the list? Any you would completely drop?

Thanks
vargus
Cytocycle, thanks for your response. Since you have heard both the VR's and the Sophia's, maybe you could comment on which would be the one that is more tonally coherent, the one with which you could play all types of music and not get fatigued by listening for hours on end? I've just bought a few XRCD's and even listening on my little Linn Classik and 805 matrix system, I'm amazed at what I can hear, so I've been listening to all kinds of music . Basically I'm asking what will be a better "jack of all trades" speaker, one that I can live with for many years.
Also, do you mean to say that the Sophia's would require the use of a sub, because this will preclude me from buying them.
It's funny you mention using the audio aero direct because I recently spoke to Johnathan Tinn (thanks for your advice, John) at Chambers Audio and that's exactly what he recommended except to use the system with VR4SR's. That system had been my original intent and I'm very tempted to go that way.
By the way I like your choice of colors for the Wilson's. You must be one of the Tifosi!
Cheers
Vargus: The Wilson's are a premium compared to the bargain VR's,but I feel that as a Wilson owner that I would not feel the need to switch speakers (which makes them a bargain in my eye). The Sophia's do not require a sub, but if you are looking for getting a speaker that includes a Sub (aka movies in a large room) the VR4 SE III or the VRSR would provide that. The other cool thing is the Wilson disappear in the room and can be put as close to the back wall using the WASP setup that wilson provides, so they don't overwhelm a smaller room and this was key for me. My room now is 12x16 and I've had them in a 10x12 room also (without the sub)
If you like the intimate sound of your 805's or any good monitor where you can really see into the music and the minute details of the presentation then you will appreciate the Wilson Sophia's. The Sophia speed and crossover integration are truely amazing and this is what I couldn't live with on the VR's. I could life with the Sophia's and less electronics ($) for a same total system cost and be happerier for longer. Keep in mind I'm a planar guy and I value speed and I use to play the upright bass and the wilson speakers are one of the few that.
You really have to bring your own music and listen to a properly setup (which is hard to find) set of wilson's to appreciate the character... moving them 1/4" is very noticable but that's why the dealer uncrates them and sets them up for you in you house!

Chris
Chris, I'm going to listen to the SR's and JR's on an all BAT system tomorrow and I'll let you know how it goes. A few weeks later I'll cross the border (to MI) to listen to the Sophia's- I think they're with a Krell system.
Now here's the thing- I can probably get the Sophia's cheaper or at the same price as the SR's. Now I'm not sure if you have heard them, but my VS dealer states the SR's compete with W/P 7's, and not the Sophia's. Is that an accurate statement? I know price will not affect my decision in the end- whatever I like best is what I'll get, but I do like getting value for my money. What are your thoughts on this?
The other thing you mentioned in your first post is that the VR's provide a more fleshed out presentation- are they "warmer" than the Sophia's? Are the Sophia's better suited to tube than SS amplification?
BTW, I was surfing around and saw you have a Guzzi- I'm a Duck owner. I have an '02 Monster S4 and I love it.
Cheers
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The Krell/Wilson combo is going to be a little bright and harsh but you will get the idea if they are setup correctly (Wilson's are like a microscope) The Sophia's will work with SS or tubes flawlessly and it is a stable 4ohm load (doesn't dip below). My friend powers them with an ARC 50watt a channel integrated (and he used a 200 watt ARC D400 MkII SS amp also before) and still has tremendous bass (using transparent Super MM cables). Your JC-1’s will barely come out of the 25watts of Class A bias would be my guess for most of your listening.

The VR's whether it is the bargain Gen III HSE that Tvad and Perfectionist has all have a very different presentation than the wilson's and the SR's may be perceived WP7 comp. but the I couldn't really say as I haven't heard the SR, but it's a huge speaker, the WP7 is know for producing amazing sound from a very small package that disappears in the room, plus fit and finish on the Wilson are extreme! 150lbs each for the Sophia in a small package...that is why the bass is tighter and more defined than the VR's (even though more quanity and lower bass is produced by the VR’s). The VR's have more rock and roll sound, the Sophia can play anything with precision like it's dissecting the music.

Your Monster S4 is awesome I have a friend that just got one and had the stock cans gutted and then reprogrammed. I wanted a Duc 748 back then but knew I couldn't keep me off the race track (I use to race) so I got the guzzi to keep my license in check.

Actually the motorcycle analogy could probably be used.... You could have bought a Jap bike -VR or you could buy the finesse of a Ducati - Wilson. And yes there is a price difference but the Brembo Brakes, fully adjustable suspension, stainless steel brake lines, etc are what put the passion in your Ducati. It's about the feel/control not about the specs. The Jap bike might be faster and even have better ratings, but the Duc just feels right...

Check all the details on the Wilson (he's a fanatic) (like they use resisters in a recessed plate that has Allen bolts on it so that if you blew a tube or played it too loud it damages the resister and never makes it to the driver!) Wilson keeps touch up paint for 5 years for you and plus you can get any color you want and the finish dare I say is better then my motorcycle! Think of fully adjustable suspension on your bike = the setup instructions for the Wilson (much easier on the Sophia's versus the WP7)....

Like I said before either people get it or they don't with Wilson's... just like Italian motorcycles - You should hear the music my 1100cc Guzzi makes racing through the hills being slowed by Brembo brakes and driven out of the corners orchestrated by the dry clutch and fully adjustable hydraulic controls... Magic when it is all working right!