So many great points raised here, where do I start?
I asked Kathy at Thiel once if she or Jim knew of studios that monitored or mixed with Thiels let alone time and phase coherent speakers. They told me they had no knowledge. And even if the speaker is not in the chain, it is true that many recordings were made with the use of mono mix to ensure that ambient send/returns did not create cancelations so you can see how small imperfections in the subjective correction in that area might be caused by inaccurate monitors.
Believe me, sometimes I wish I were Richard Hardesty, or at least had the luxury of writing all day and listening to music and pissing people off. Instead, I do product management for a biotech firm. I'll bet Richard doesn't know what a polymorphonucelotide sequence is.
Yes mass market compressed crap is just that.
I'm not in the least concerned that we are not reproducing a live event but that we are accurately reproducing a recorded one.
Warrenh: I have three speakers that I believe are accurate. Meadowlark Kestrel2, questionable only because they are only two way and I don't think it is possible with anything less than three way. I also have Thiel CS6s and Vandersteen 2Ces, both of which I do believe offer accuracy that others I've owned, such as Paradigm Ref 100s V1, Dynaudio Contour 3.0, KEF Q15 never did. I used to have an original pair of Thiel CS7s and regret selling them for the Dynaudios. This was where my eventual revelation led me back to the sonic accuracy of the Thiel design, and now to Vandersteen. Hope this answers your question.
Hey I will stand on one unmoveable soapbox from the measurement angle in all of this: if the speaker can't do the triangular step response, then there is no way it can ever be timbrally accurate, even if it is flat FR wise; the time domain will eventually be realized as essential to recorded music reproduction in speaker design. Mark my words.
Thank you all again for such intelligent and stimulating discourse.
I asked Kathy at Thiel once if she or Jim knew of studios that monitored or mixed with Thiels let alone time and phase coherent speakers. They told me they had no knowledge. And even if the speaker is not in the chain, it is true that many recordings were made with the use of mono mix to ensure that ambient send/returns did not create cancelations so you can see how small imperfections in the subjective correction in that area might be caused by inaccurate monitors.
Believe me, sometimes I wish I were Richard Hardesty, or at least had the luxury of writing all day and listening to music and pissing people off. Instead, I do product management for a biotech firm. I'll bet Richard doesn't know what a polymorphonucelotide sequence is.
Yes mass market compressed crap is just that.
I'm not in the least concerned that we are not reproducing a live event but that we are accurately reproducing a recorded one.
Warrenh: I have three speakers that I believe are accurate. Meadowlark Kestrel2, questionable only because they are only two way and I don't think it is possible with anything less than three way. I also have Thiel CS6s and Vandersteen 2Ces, both of which I do believe offer accuracy that others I've owned, such as Paradigm Ref 100s V1, Dynaudio Contour 3.0, KEF Q15 never did. I used to have an original pair of Thiel CS7s and regret selling them for the Dynaudios. This was where my eventual revelation led me back to the sonic accuracy of the Thiel design, and now to Vandersteen. Hope this answers your question.
Hey I will stand on one unmoveable soapbox from the measurement angle in all of this: if the speaker can't do the triangular step response, then there is no way it can ever be timbrally accurate, even if it is flat FR wise; the time domain will eventually be realized as essential to recorded music reproduction in speaker design. Mark my words.
Thank you all again for such intelligent and stimulating discourse.