Eldartford , looks like you've done your home work on this one. I wish you luck with the project. I know several Audiophiles that went OB. They all claimed never to return to a box speaker again. Thanks for the links Cdc.
Ring radiator tweeters - the future?
A technology developed by Scanspeak that hasn't penetrated the audiophile market, but Polk started using them - and their fans say it produces better high end within the same price range. A brief froogle reveals JBL offers them as components. Could this technology end the perpetual silk dome vs. titanium dome debate?
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Cdc, your comments are based in a rich misunderstanding of what it takes to make a good speaker. Fact is most single driver systems have worse timing errors than properly designed multi-element speakers. Your history lesson also underestimates how much people love bass. For 99.999999999999999999% of the public anytime you get more bass....you get a bigger smile. Advertising had nothing to do with it. Speaker designers are not obsessed with frequency extremes, the driver manufacturers are. In most cases better mid band performance leads to better bandwidth performance. Most good speaker design manufacturers are obsessed with either bass or midrange or simply obsessed. Single driver speakers are not the answer, most are inferior for the very reasons you find flaws in multi-element designs. Exactly how difficult is it to perfect one driver to the point where it is demonstably superior to multi-way systems? You would think price advantages and limited R&D would make this style of speaker very popular. To build a Fostex in a box, you call madisound, cut some wood and you have a speaker. I'm not sure it requires any math? BUT despite inherent market advantages, overcoming the obstacles seems to be very difficult, as this proven year after year. As single driver system remain only viable to fringy audiophile types who don't listen to powerful large scale or popular music. A good example of the point I'm trying to make; Cain & Cain Abby versus a Blue Sky System One? Both $1500, ones modern AM radio the others the real deal. Guess where my money's going....with the ring radiator... Best Regards |
"I'm not sure it requires any math?" Oh contray..how wrong you are. Construction and Measurement of a Simple Test Transmission Line. A Mathematical Model for an Expanding Fiber Damped Transmission Line The Calculation Algorithm Derivation and Correlation of the Viscous Damping Coefficient Advanced Transmission Line Modeling Techniques Does it look like you're just throwing a driver in a box? I agree some SDs aren't bass or dynamic monsters. There are some that do large scale very well..most aren't commercially manufactured though. Also the consumer must decide what kind of bass they want to live with. Do they want 50hz bass hump kinda of bass or real honest bass with low distortion that adds as little as possible to the original recording? Cheers |
Yes you're correct they aren't. Although the links supplied are exclusive to SD designs not multi ways. To give you an idea..this is comparing apples to oranges. I'll use the Paradigm 100v2 and v3 speakers because they are so widely sold. I've also spent enough time with them to judge them well. The Paradigm 100v3 is a five driver three way speaker. They will play much louder than my FTAs.One of the things they can't do is compete with the FTAs in bass/weight extention. That's right..the single 8 inch driver in a MLTL cabinet makes this 5 driver speaker sound like a welterweight in the bass department that put on too many pounds. In other words the 100v3 sounds slow, sluggish and light in the bass by comparison...believe it or not. |
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