Another Zu Thread


Sorry - I'm sure this is in the archives, but I've been reading them for several hours and haven't come up with anything super definitive.

Can anybody comment on what setup works best with the Druids and/or the Definitions? I have read >10ft to the listener for the Definitions.

Does the floor material matter? I have read that they need to be placed on hard surfaces, not carpet - true?

They appear to work in a fairly standard triangle pattern - separated by X feet, user seated Y feet away.

Toe in? Do these speakers do the "head in a clamp thing" or does it support multiple listeners reasonably well?

Distance from back / side walls?

Any help would be appreciated, either in direct answers or point me to a thread that discusses all the physical setup issues.

-Kirk
kthomas
I do have some room treatment, and quite literally this is very room dependent as well, but I get just an intimate sound with the right spacing and sitting from 8 ft, or 14 feet... But again I guess it depends on the way your room will carry frequency response. My room is FAR too small for Definitions no doubt, its only 12.5 feet wide so the further you get away the more powerfull everything sounds. I would consider a 15 ft X about 28 ft room more optimal, I use to have them in a 14 ft X 29 ft room and could easily sit 14 feet away with full spectrum results.
Undertow,

Thanks...you have probably already tried this but you may find hanging an ornamental rug or acoustic foam on the wall between and behind your speakers will help to add more depth to the sound stage. I was actually attempting to resolve some refections coming out of my fireplace (which is between/behind the speakers) by placing some thick foam in the opening, not only did I deaden the refections, I also I improved the depth. Now when I listen to John Rutter's Requiem the soprano sounds 40 feet away not 12...

Another interesting thing I forgot to mention is that in some cases I have unexpectedly found the best sound (flattest low freq. from 300 down) is in the very back of the room, it could be anywhere from 4 to 12 inches from the back wall. I was helping a friend set up a pair of Druids this weekend, we were using the long wall in a...let's say 16'X 13' room. When we initially set up the room, the listening position was approximately 2.5 feet from the back wall. I had the speakers about 101 inches apart center to center and 116 inches for tweeter to listening position and the the Druids were maybe 1.5 ft from the back wall. I was having problems with the frequency response being all over the place with readings showing +/- 9 db and shallow sound stage. I started moving the rta mic forward and backward to find the best spot (lack of room spikes and peaks) and sure enough we were able to move the chair back about 1.5 feet and bring the Druids out the same, bingo we had it...flat from 28Hz to 12,000Hz +/- 3 db and an improved sound stage. However to do this we had to have a friend bring over some acoustic treatment to put on the back wall.

Rule of thumb: Never forget the room is part of the speaker system too!

Again...just wanting to be helpful! This is only an opinion.

Ron
Hi Ron:

That's interesting, as I also find that the further away I sit from the Druids the better integrated the sound.

Thanks for your thoughtful posts on placement and room interaction!

Regards,

Max
Thanks very much to several of the insightful posts, Ron and Phil in particular. I know there is no substitute for auditioning in one's own room, but some of the details have really helped me believe that the Definitions would work great in my room and I should give them a test run.

I'm curious about the Def Pros - they have been mentioned to me, both in this thread and in a couple very helpful emails I have received on the topic, and I have read the stuff on 6moons about them. I'm left with fairly different viewpoints on their necessity vs. the standard Definition - some seem to think that, while the Definition is great in its own right, the Def Pros are inevitable, while others (including, apparently, Zu themselves) think the standard Definitions should suffice in all but the most particular situation. I appreciate the inputs I've had, and am not asking for those to be repeated, but if anybody has further experience with the two, I'd love to hear about them. The Zu website doesn't really address the Pros.