Crossover-less Speakers

hi undertow:

i appreciate some of your observations. i think there are some inaccuracies here.

the esls are not bright. i don't own them.

there are many components which exhibit extra energy in the upper midrange/lower treble. not all components are bright and i have not stated that my stereo system has this problem.

most of my comments refer to components i do not own.

preferences for components and perceptions of component performance are subjective.

i am consistent in preferring a "dark" sound and as most components are designed to be "neutral", they are not to my liking. i still call it as i hear it.

Okay, I accept that "YOU DON'T OWN THEM".. You said it, so obviously you just wanted to get a response on a thread that had nothing to do with you observation anyway.

Actually this conversation had nothing to do with the sound of a product, but you decided to ask and yes BASH the product, I mean if saying your sorry for any Zu owners being they are horribly not balanced and will never hear real music is not out of left field bashing than I don't know what is... It warranted a response, regardless that it actually has ZERO to do with any of the issues on this thread till you decided to start it with such comments.

So why not buy quads since you don't have them? I mean you feel they clearly "STOMP" specific things you never owned or really experienced in a correct setup, Why feel sorry for owners of every other component on this website as you state? Yet still like to question ones that do own them, and then don't accept the answers when you decided to ask the question?

It seems you actually have interest in a weird way to have it proved to you, I respect your opinion, but at the same time many things can shock you trust me... And properly setup components you have bias against might prove you are a little overstated in your extreme views from point A to B.

And just a little clue, most components can exhibit a extra energy in the upper midrange/lower treble, this is so common its silly.. And on another thread I was involved you basically dis-regard room and acoustics completley in trade for the right "Dark sounding" speaker, so in that case you are not going to ever hear these items at their best including your own.

i don't own the original quads because the panels are subject to nedding replacement. i own a pair of quad 63s with two blown panels. as much as i like the quads, they are too fragile and not worth the maintainance.

so i comprimise and own another panel speaker. i am waiting for the new martin logan clx. hopefully its cost is within my budget and is balanced in frequency response.

we can agree to disagree when a stereo system sounds balanced, and/or natural sounding with respect to timbre.

all this back and forth does not substitute for an opportunity to jointly listen to a stereo system and compare perceptions.

i would welcome the opportunity to get together with some one at ces 2008 for an hour, and visit some rooms together.

then, we can have a meaningful exchange of opinion.right now, all of this is just talk, but it is entertaining.

Audiokinesis I am not affiliated with Zu in any manner what so ever. I just happen to love the sound of their speakers.

However, I didn't realize Macrojack had an affiliation either and I do agree that full discolsure is a must on this forum.

Audiokinesis I am not affiliated with Zu in any manner what so ever. I just happen to love the sound of their speakers.

However, I didn't realize Macrojack had an affiliation either and I do agree that full discolsure is a must on this forum.

Mrtennis, I couldn't belive your description of the Zu's. Bright? My one pick with the Zu's is that I think they lack just a bit in the high frequency extension; even with my Onix tube amp. The one thing they're not is bright.

BTW, I can't even get Zu to cut me a deal on a pair of cables. Tried and was told to bid on them when they come up for auction. No discount what so ever for a return customer or even a small discount.

Even one who loves and always speaks well of their product. Sean/Adam, are you listening. ;0)

Serioulsy though, there is no pyrmid scheme IMO. Just plenty of happy customers.