Calling Aerial 20T owners


I just acquired an used pair of 20T V1.

room size is 14 x 18, sources are VPI SSM Ref w/ rim drive, Lyra Skala, Einstein phono, modded Benchmark DAC USB, Einstein pre, BAT 150SE. IC are Audience 24 & Pure Note, speaker wires are Acoustic Zen Hologram II (top) and Audioquest Clear III (bottom). all sit on Grand Prix Audio racks.

due to room size, speakers are 5' from back wall. I had to bi-wire them to remove a bit of bright and edgy top end. not sure if it was the speaker wires or power amp output, I am not getting the "presence" and immediacy like Sonus Faber Amati or Guarneri Memento. I am afraid to use silver speaker cables which will improve the presence, think listening fatigue will set in after 10 min.

want to check with 20T owners:

anyone has success with tube amps?
how far apart do you have them? any toe-in?
how do you move them on carpet? 2-piece construction means I have to take the head unit off every time I want to move a quarter inch.
do you put anything under the speakers? considering some maple block so I can slide them around easily.
Aerial suggests to tilt the speakers up slightly, but after bi-wire I found level sounds better. do you tilt up?

I am happy with the bass response, so I "don't" need more power. but if power will increase upper mid and brings out a bit more presence, snappiness, and immediacy, I will consider a different amp.
semi
Congratulations you made a great speaker choice. I have 20T V1 as well. I have used a number of SS amplifiers on them with varying success. I tried a medium powered tube amp and it was the only one that was not good at all. It was bright, edgy, and muddled. If you read the review from Stereophile (http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/404aerial/index5.html) and look at the measurements they may explain why, but I don't profess to be an expert in interpreting impedence graphs.

I don't think you'll find a tube amp that will be a great match. You may also know Aerial usually shows with SS amps at shows. During the latest CES they showed the V2's with Boulder gear.

I am currently biamping using a very high quality and high output SS amp. I can tell you they sound like a totally different speaker than they did with my previous amps. The higher output has transformed them from a really good speaker, into a totally invisible awesome speaker that is as good as anything I've ever experienced. And no it's not just about Bass. It's about everything.

With my previous amps I preferred them quite wide. That seemed to enlarge the soundstage, although rarely was I able to get the soundstage to extend outside of the placement. The dealer I heard them at was using MAC 501s and doing the same thing.

On a recommendation from a friend I tried a new amplifier that is much higher in output. Wow they sure sing now! The Macs and my previous amps turned out to be wimps when it comes to output. And it's not just about Watts. In all instances I have preferred them toed in at the listener which is also what the manual recommends.

As far as moving them they come with wheels for easy moving. You simply wheel them around until you are happy and then attach the feet. If you didn't get the wheels from the past owner perhaps Aerial will sell you some?

The tweeter is very directional. My owner's manual talks about getting the level right so the tweeter is parallel with your ears. I sure don't remember it saying to tilt them up.

I never tried them but I wouldn't suggest silver speaker cables. The Aerials can get bright (as you know) and the thought of silver cables with tube amps makes my ears hurt. I used Cardas Golden Ref with mine and they sound awesome. I'm between cables right now as my new amp is not monos so my 6' Cardas GR bi-wired cables don't fit anymore. Email if you're interested in them or naming names.

Cheers,

Mike
sounds like the owner's manual does contain some useful info, something I did not get from the dealer. most speakers I owned I don't bother to read the manual as they are quite useless.

so Rowland 304 bi-amp is your amp of choice now? I have only one pair of output from my Einstein, so I can only use 1 amp. I will much rather keep my BAT, I haven't found any solid state to equal BAT midrange and up, in fact no tube amps could compete either. will try to drag my friend's Pass 350.5 over to try though. another person also highly recommends 20T with 304, I think you know whom I am talking about.

I do have the wheels, but I found the sound changed a lot after putting the spikes back on due to ribbon's limited vertical dispersion. owner's manual suggest to sit at tweeter level? before going bi-wire, the sound was on the bright side so I called Aerial and Andrew suggested (and a common practice for them) to tilt it up a little. how little he did not say, but everyone who listened to my system last weekend with bi-wire preferred the sound w/o tilting. I wasn't sitting in the sweet spot to hear w/ and w/o tilting, but presence and immediacy did improve a bit after the speakers are level.
You can use a Y connector from your pre or have another set of outputs installed. I'm sure the Pass will sound great by comparison. Who knows maybe you'll prefer it? Bat also makes some solid state amps. BTW you don't have to Bi-amp just use a powerful SS amp. That's just what I'm doing.

In the end though, and I hope this doesn't offend you, you didn't do your homework on the 20t's because not many people would say they are "tube friendly". I'm sure a high power tube amp can do it and sound pretty darn good, but IMHO that speaker is designed for SS. If you are dearly attached to the Bat you may have a mis-match.

One side note: I also read the Stereophile review again and in the conclusion they speculate a room that's too small may compress the low end and tilt the speaker's balance to the high end. I suppose that might also be your problem as your room is on the small side for the 20t's (IMHO).

I'd prefer not to name names or slam past equipment but my system is updated. If you want a list of stuff I've tried email me.

Mike