Recommend speakers for a restaurant sound system

Agreed about the JBL Aeon series - blech. I've heard several rooms with architectural speaker products from both Genelec (the AIC25 and AIW 25/26 - both are active and bypass amplification requirements) and EAW whose SMS surface mount speakers are quite nice. Both are highly regarded professional monitoring/loudspeaker companies and make fine products for commercial applications. Try to avoid home or "prosumer" products in a commercial environment - buy products designed for the job they are supposed to do.

-Richard

There's a local business that combines -odd as it seems- a high end audio dealership with a Yoga studio. He sells Vandys and has model 1s (if I recall correctly) suspended from the ceiling of his Yoga studio. It's always sounded nice (and suitably relaxing for Yoga - or dinner) when I've passed thru.

Marty

speakers are not nearly as important as the amp. Speakers need to be evenly spaced throughout. You need something like a Sonance 12 channel amp so there is a separate amp for each pair of speakers...this makes a huge difference!
I've done several installations like this with inwalls and the sound has been great.

I love how people start threads "askimg specific questions" but yet never seem to drop back by after asking the orginal question. IMHO it's somewhat rude. Seriously how hard is stop back by and thank people for their input, and maybe even elaborate more on the question asked. It really is a "two-way street" and truth is we all get to learn something that we might have never known and that's a good thing.

All:

Thanks for your generous response to my question. I am sorry that I did not answer you over the last few days. I have been traveling and have not had the time to get back to the posting.

Let me see if I can answer some of your questions and provide feedback where appropriate.

The restaurant is in Cambridge, MA near MIT. We are building what the brits call a "gastropub". The food is not fancy but is made from scratch on premise. We are also installing 100 beer taps and will be serving draft beer from craft brewers around the world. The neighborhood crowd is very smart and sophisticated without being snobby.

The restaurant is in the middle of the biotech corridor in Cambridge so we get a corporate lunch and happy hour crowd. For dinner, late night and the weekends we get a 21 to 35 crowd.

During the day we are planning on playing lighter music like the classic 50's bebop jazz standards. At night all bets are off. We could be playing anything.

We are planning to rip my music collection (CD's and vinyl) to a PC and then use some of the search programs available on the web. I am going to use a touchscreen behind the bar to do the searching. I have been researching external USB DAC's to convert the signal to analog.

Many of the local bars/Restaurants use Pandora (pandora.com) downloaded to a PC or an ipod to do their song programming. We are going to look into that too (I will not do it off an ipod, I don't like the way they sound)

As some of you surmised, we will need more than 4 speakers. I think it is going to take at least 8 speakers (and maybe 12 as LoomisJohnson suggested) to fill the space.

Depending on how it sounds, I may have to install subs too.

Some of you suggested the klipsch speakers. I will audition the the Klipsch but, I am not a fan of the Klipsch speakers coupled with a solid state amp/preamp. I always find the klipsch too bright. (I had in-wall Klipsch speakers in my house. I took them out because they were too bright) I am an old Heresy owner too.

I like the Totem speakers. I think it would be interesting to mount the smaller monitors from the ceiling.

I also like planar speakers (I own a set of heavily modified maggies). I did not realize that ML was making a variety of in-wall speakers. I am not sure we can afford to mount 8 of the martin logan in-walls but I will preview them at the local dealer.

I have not heard the TOA's, Westlakes, Genelec, EAW or the Sonance. The Mirage line looked interesting too. I will check out all of them and report back.

I remember how all of the record stores in Boston (way back when) used the Bose 901's mounted from the ceiling. I thought they always sounded good. They are cheap, I have to check and see if they are relatively efficient. I can't afford to buy 6 big amps to power them. Thanks for the interesting suggestion.

I have always had a bias against the commercial speakers and amps. Right or wrong, I never thought much of the quality of the products. having said that, I think the market has changed dramatically.

I think I will have to go with a commercial preamp like the parasound so that I have enough inputs and outputs to have design flexibility. I would love to power the system with a massive Class A amp(s), but as many of you have suggested, it may not be practical (I am going to try it). So I am going to look at the Class D amps like the Sonance and see how they sound.

We are in the process of doing the architectural design we will not be building until late July. I will keep you up to date as I try out your suggestions. I am going to NYC next week and I will go to Daniel to see the installation in that place.

Thanks again for your suggestions.