Omni Speaker Options


Have decided to move away from "box speakers" to create a system centered upon omni-directional speakers. I have heard MBL 111Es and like the transparency, resolution and dynamics. And I have seen some good prices for 111Es on Audiogon for preowned. But before I drop money on an MBL, I have to ask the question: Are they the only game in town? Have not heard German Physiks (high end) or Ohm (lower end). For those that are knowledgeble about omni-speakers, are there other brands that should be auditioned before I make the MBL investment? How does your recommended speaker compare to 111Es? The listening room is 26 feet long, 17 feet wide and 14 foot ceiling.
amilcar
Thanks Martykl and Pedrillo for making time to reply. Like both of you, a big part of my motivation was to infact do something that is non-conventional or select components that were different from the standard fare, as long as the musicality was present in the end. I have had B&Ws in the past and did audition Wilson Watt Puppys which after 30 minutes of solid state pumping were absolutely causing my ears to ring painfully. As an aside, a long time MBL owner is replacing her 101s with the Vivid Giya. speakers. I'm curious to hear them if at all possible. And Pedrillo,your suggestion regarding the Symposium caught me off guard. I hope that you get some thoughtful replies to your post.
Msstl,

If you can envision the room lay out: Meeting your requirements regarding rear wall and side walls is not a problem; however, the following dimension may be a "gotcha". Looking at the rear wall where the system will stand, the right wall is a partial wall that opens into a sunroom. Stated differently, the right wall "jets out from the rear wall for about 18 inches, then it is open space into the sunroom that abuts the main listening area. There isn't a door to the sun room but just a wide opening that extends for about another 6 to 7 feet before the rest of the side wall continues before it ends at the front wall of the room. So people can sit in the sunroom as well as the main listning room too to enjoy the music. Hopefully this paints a vivid enough picture to get your considered feedback about possible imaging problems (or not).

Thanks
I haven't heard the Giya, but the Vivid speakers I did hear (briefly @ the LA Stereophile show a couple of years back) also seemed to feature a somewhat "foreward" tonal balance.

Marty
Definitive Technology Bipolars BP7000SC, a value for $5500. Give them a listen
Amilcar, regarding the suitability of your room to omnis, let me describe some pertinent aspects of how the ear/brain system processes incoming sound. I think this is useful background for people considering omni, dipolar, or bipolar speakers. This will be a brief introduction rather than an in-depth study of the topic.

The ear derives directional cues primarily from the first .68 milliseconds of a sound impules (corresponding to the roughly 9 inch path length around your head from one ear to the other). After this initial .68 milliseconds the ear suppresses directional cues from repetitions of the original signal (reflections), but still accepts loudness and timbre cues from the reflected energy. That being said, a strong, distinct reflection arriving after that initial .68 millisecond window can still skew the imaging.

The subjective effect on sound quality of reflections is related to their arrival time. In general, reflections arriving earlier than 10 milliseconds behind the first-arrival sound (corresponding to a path length difference of 11 feet) tend to be perceived as coloration, and reflections arriving later than 10 milliseconds (assuming their spectral balance is good) tend to be perceived as richness, warmth, ambience, spaciousness, texture, and liveliness. That's why music in a good recital or concert hall sounds so good, and that's why omnis often sound so good.

You've probably noticed that owners of dipole speakers (Maggies, Quads, etc.) like to position them pretty far out into the room. This is because they sound better when the extra reverberant energy from the backwave arrives after as much time delay as is reasonably feasible. The same principle applies to omnis, only their equally strong radiation to the sides makes the first sidewall reflection a concern. Often diffusion in the first sidewall reflection zone is beneficial with omnis. Likewise, diffusion in the first reflection zone behind the speakers is usually beneficial, especially if they must be placed within 5 or 6 feet of that wall.

Since lots of early sidewall reflection energy is inevitable with an omni, you might well get some image imbalance with that big opening along the right-hand side of your room. In my experience even heavy absorption in the corresponding area on the opposite side of the room may not even things out with that type of speaker. In general I don't like to use any more than the bare minimum amount of absorption necessary to prevent slap-echo when using dipoles, bipoles, omnis or polydirectionals, because much of what they do well comes from having a strong, diffuse, spectrally correct, slowly decaying reverberant field.

I'm a big fan of getting the reverberant field right; in my opinion that and dynamic contrast are among the primary differences between live and reproduced sound from a perceptual standpoint.

Duke
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