amp power & driver sensitivity in multiamp setup

Hi Horacio,

There are a number of variables and unknowns (to me, at least) that enter into your question. And while I therefore don't know what the answer would be I suspect that chances are it would be significantly different than 101 dB (or 100 dB, which you may have meant, that being 94 + 3 + 3).

First, without a specific indication from the manufacturer I wouldn't assume that the per watt efficiency of the doubled impedance driver goes up by 3 dB. Also, I wouldn't assume that the amp has the same power rating into 16 ohms as into 8 ohms, especially if it does not provide a 16 ohm output tap. And if it does not provide a 16 ohm tap, but only provides say an 8 ohm tap, I would not necessarily assume that it can perform at its sonic best when working into 16 ohms.

Best regards,
-- Al

Al,

I did mean 101 dB, but that doesn't mean I had it right :-)
My rationale: if the given amp driving the 8 ohm driver, which is 94 dB/W, delivers 98 dB SPL, then when driving a 16 ohm version the amp will need to deliver half the current and hence twice as much voltage, adding 3 dB to the 98 dB.

As far as the amp goes, you are right I'm making lots of assumptions. I thought amps generally were challenged doubling Wattage as load impedance halved, but not the other way around. Not sure either if SET are the same in this regard.

Thanks for helping me think through this!

Best regards,
Horacio

Hi Horacio,

In this case it was me who wasn't quite right, about the 98 and 101 dB. When I wrote my last response I didn't re-read your post which preceded the one I was responding to, so I had forgotten where the 98 dB (at the listening position) had come from.

In any event, as you realize, decreasing load impedance will increasingly challenge an amplifier with respect to the correspondingly increased demand for current (everything else being equal). And also thermally in the case of non-class A designs (SETs are class A), due to the temperature rise caused by the increased current passing through their output circuits.

However, if the amp does not have an output transformer, or for a given output tap if it does have an output transformer (as I assume any 2A3 amp does), if the load impedance rises to high values output power capability will be limited by the amp's voltage swing capability (i.e., the maximum amount of voltage it can put out).

With many solid state amps, that will probably cause the maximum amount of power that can be delivered into 16 ohms to be not a great deal more than 1/2 of what can be delivered into 8 ohms, corresponding to there not being a great deal of voltage headroom relative to the voltage capability required for an 8 ohm load. Some amps that are rated to have several dB or more of dynamic headroom, though, would probably do better than that. Although many times large amounts of dynamic headroom may simply reflect that the amp is not robust enough to sustain high output currents continuously.

With a tube amp operated from its 8 ohm tap, as the load impedance increases significantly above 8 ohms max power capability may initially increase, but will eventually also reach a point where voltage swing capability, and perhaps also increased distortion, will limit its output capability. Where that point occurs will depend on the design of the specific amplifier.

If the amp provides a 16 ohm tap, though, I would generally expect power capability from that tap into 16 ohms to be in the same ballpark as power capability into 8 ohms from the 8 ohm tap.

Best regards,
-- Al

Something that is missed from this conversation:

The driver is measured in sensitivity, not efficiency. As a result the impedance must be taken into account; in this case it results in the efficiency being not quite so high. You can't exchange the two specs unless the impedance of the drive is 8 ohms. So this is going to make the situation worse.

Second, adding more drivers will not change the efficiency at all although it will affect sensitivity adversely if the drivers are in series. However this means little to a tube amps with no feedback!!

By putting the two drivers in series all that will happen is 1/2 the power will be dissipated by each driver, resulting in exactly the same output as if one driver were to be used, assuming the same amount of power in both cases.

Based on what I've seen so far, the 2A3 amp will likely be OK for the tweeter, but for midrange you will either need a more powerful amp or a more efficient driver. If the driver were to be about 105db you might do OK as that would be about the same as if the amp had 10x the power. However if you insist on an SET for that, well there just isn't one that can do that sort of power and no go over 20% so this problem will need some rethinking IMO.

Thanks, Ralph. I don't think, though, that Lewinski was asking about adding more drivers or putting drivers in series. As I read it he was asking about the possibility of choosing a single 16 ohm driver instead of an ostensibly similar 8 ohm driver, and whether doing so would be beneficial with respect to maximum volume capability.

Best regards,
-- Al