Tube Watts vs. Solid State Watts - Any credence?


I've heard numerous times that Tube watts are not the same as Solid State watts when it comes to amps running speakers. For example, a 70 watt tube amp provides more power than a 140 watt solid state amp. Is there any credence to this or just sales talk and misguided listeners? If so, how could this be? One reason I ask is a lot of speakers recommend 50 - 300 watts of amplification but many stores have 35 watt tube amps or 50 watts tube amps running them. More power is usually better to run speakers, so why am I always hearing this stuff about a tube watt is greater than a solid state watt?
djfst
10-12-15: Beavis
Are you trying to tell tube/solid state amps measure RMS differently?
Since Mapman has not answered till now & if I may be permitted to reply in his stead understanding what he is trying to say then.........
no, he's not saying that s.s. & tube amps measure RMS differently. That simply cannot happen - RMS is RMS no matter which amp.
i think he's saying the same thing Atma-sphere & I & others have already written which is: a watt is a watt but each amp reacts differently with each speaker. And, it is this interaction between amp-speaker that determines when & how much an amp will distort. This, in turn, will give the illusion in some cases that tube watts are more powerful than s.s. watts (they really are not).
I should have written that sentence differently pointing out that output power depends on the topology of the tube - triode vs. ultra-linear vs. pentode with the output power going progressively higher as one moves from triode to pentode.

Really it depends on how many tubes are used. Our MA-3 makes over 500 watts and its entirely triode, yet the H/K Citation 2 is pentode and only makes 60 watts. I think what you were trying to say in this passage is that pentodes **usually** pack a lot more power per tube than triodes usually do (there are triodes out there that make a lot of power; more than most pentodes).

Ultra-linear is a means of approaching triode linearity while retaining the power output of a tetrode or pentode (either can be used in ultralinear). The use of tetrodes, pentodes, triodes and ultralinear operation otherwise has nothing to do with power at all.

i think he's saying the same thing Atma-sphere & I & others have already written which is: a watt is a watt but each amp reacts differently with each speaker.

Actually I was more commenting on strictly how the amps distort- tubes interact favorably with human physiology while generally transistors do not (lower ordered harmonics as opposed to the dreaded 7th harmonic). This interaction can be quite profound and hard to turn down when you hear it!

A few years ago my band was at a show in Chicago. There were a lot of bands on the bill and to save time with each one shifting gear on stage, we offered to 'backline' our bass amplifier- a 400-watt Peavey ('backlining' is the process of having some equipment left on stage that all the bands would use during the show). One of the bands had a 500-watt Orange bass amplifier, which is class D. He wanted the extra power. He was quite blown away when I pointed out that a class D 500 watt amplifier would in no way keep up with a 400 watt tube amp on stage. He tried it and agreed- but had to go back to the class D amp as the Peavey made far more bass energy than he was used to- he was used to the thinner sound of the class D amp and was a little panicked that he would not be able to get the right sound (they were going on first).
Watts are not Watts. The reason tube amps have better Watts than solid state amps is pretty simple. It's because they generally have more dynamic headroom than solid state amps. Thus all things being equal tube amps won't clip as soon as solid state amps. Case solved.
Geoffkait,
How about Amperes, Volts and Ohms are they also better?
Ampere, Volt, Ohm and Watt were dudes that named these units of measure. I would suggest you to provide quantitative answer to your hypothesis by deriving your own unit of measure by how much of your units TubeWatts are better than SSWatts.