"Z": Take a look at the ART thread as to my "more recent thoughts" about Agon and "taking a vacation".
Other than that, i too find Donovan's comments VERY interesting and a very worthwhile contribution to this thread and Agon in general. Obviously, this mod reduces susceptability to acoustic feedback, which also plagues listeners at home. If it can damp out this much vibration from external excitation, it can only help provide the cartridge with a more stable platform to ride upon. This can only improve the physical aspects of cartridge performance and the sonic aspects of data retrieval.
While i know others that have stated that fluid damping can reduce the "dynamics" of a system, my thoughts are that the arm should not be moving in response to physical excitation at all. If the arm IS moving and being excited by either airborne vibration or the stylus / cantilever movement, energy transfer from the vinyl is either being lost by that movement or corrupted by the extraneous addition of that movement. As such, making the arm less susceptible to deflection in any manner "should" be beneficial. That is, so long as the cartridge / arm are properly matched and "dialed in" to begin with.
As a side note, removing the majority of mass / movement from an "arm" that extends the cartridge over the vinyl pretty much negates most of the objectionable side effects that damping takes care of. It is for this ( and several other reasons ) that i began looking into the Souther / Clearaudio tangential tracking arm. Not only do you minimize the effects of having an "arm" with this design, you've reduced tracking error to a minimum. On top of this, VTA problems are also more easily addressed.
The drawback to such a design ( all designs have "drawbacks" ) is that the Souther / Clearaudio arm absolutely requires that a table have excellent isolation from external vibration AND internal vibration. I am talking about internal vibration as generated by its' own motor and bearings.
If you try to use an arm of this type without the above factors being taken into consideration, you'll run into a whole 'nother set of problems that only this type of arm would bring with it. This has to do with the fact that the Souther type design "rests" on the spindle to form a "bridge" for the cartridge to ride across. A more conventional design doesn't do this as it lacks the physical connection to the spindle. As such, if you've got bearing or motor problems, they will manifest themselves MUCH quicker with this type of arm than with any other that i know of.
Given the cost of a new Souther / Clearaudio arm, it appears that the "proper" implimentation of fluid damping can help bring a more conventional arm up to a higher level of performance without major expense. Obviously, one would have to be willing to experiment with various levels of damping, etc... to find out what works best in their given situation. Once that was done though, i would think that the end result would be well worth the effort and cost involved. Sean
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Other than that, i too find Donovan's comments VERY interesting and a very worthwhile contribution to this thread and Agon in general. Obviously, this mod reduces susceptability to acoustic feedback, which also plagues listeners at home. If it can damp out this much vibration from external excitation, it can only help provide the cartridge with a more stable platform to ride upon. This can only improve the physical aspects of cartridge performance and the sonic aspects of data retrieval.
While i know others that have stated that fluid damping can reduce the "dynamics" of a system, my thoughts are that the arm should not be moving in response to physical excitation at all. If the arm IS moving and being excited by either airborne vibration or the stylus / cantilever movement, energy transfer from the vinyl is either being lost by that movement or corrupted by the extraneous addition of that movement. As such, making the arm less susceptible to deflection in any manner "should" be beneficial. That is, so long as the cartridge / arm are properly matched and "dialed in" to begin with.
As a side note, removing the majority of mass / movement from an "arm" that extends the cartridge over the vinyl pretty much negates most of the objectionable side effects that damping takes care of. It is for this ( and several other reasons ) that i began looking into the Souther / Clearaudio tangential tracking arm. Not only do you minimize the effects of having an "arm" with this design, you've reduced tracking error to a minimum. On top of this, VTA problems are also more easily addressed.
The drawback to such a design ( all designs have "drawbacks" ) is that the Souther / Clearaudio arm absolutely requires that a table have excellent isolation from external vibration AND internal vibration. I am talking about internal vibration as generated by its' own motor and bearings.
If you try to use an arm of this type without the above factors being taken into consideration, you'll run into a whole 'nother set of problems that only this type of arm would bring with it. This has to do with the fact that the Souther type design "rests" on the spindle to form a "bridge" for the cartridge to ride across. A more conventional design doesn't do this as it lacks the physical connection to the spindle. As such, if you've got bearing or motor problems, they will manifest themselves MUCH quicker with this type of arm than with any other that i know of.
Given the cost of a new Souther / Clearaudio arm, it appears that the "proper" implimentation of fluid damping can help bring a more conventional arm up to a higher level of performance without major expense. Obviously, one would have to be willing to experiment with various levels of damping, etc... to find out what works best in their given situation. Once that was done though, i would think that the end result would be well worth the effort and cost involved. Sean
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