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Oregonpapa,

i know a dealer that will give you 20 percent off without negotiating. I am sure if someone is serious he will give you another 10 percent just to close the deal.

TAS is a nice present for an Audiophile you don't like

It's so funny that both Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson came to strongly disapprove of the magazines they founded and ran. Of the two, TAS is far worse imo, presenting company-written copy as editorial content.

^^ Gordon Holt was a really good reviewer. His reviews guided me to buy a pair of Acoustat III's and then a pair of Acoustat IV's. Amazing speakers when driven with tons of power. 

I stopped reading it a long time ago but not because they only review expensive gear but because I didn't get anything out of those reviews. I read Car and Driver from time to time, including about Porsches, Aston Martins etc. The true supercar is custom Swedish Koenigseg, only $2 millions. That said, if you really know how to drive, and few do, your modest tuned BMW or old Porsche will fly past those yuppies in those cars. Many people in the US, Asia and even Europe and Russia can afford very expensive stuff. To put it another way - this kind of money is not a problem for them at all.