interesting phenomena in the cutting room

Dear atmasphere: "  The real limitation in LP recording is the playback apparatus, not the cutters. " 

That I remember in this forum I never read a post where some one saids that cutters were the problem with the LP recordings/playback.

The normal recording process has several characterisitcs that in one way or the other puts its own limitations to the LP playback.

I'm not and expert on this subject and don't know for sure the whole recording process till the LP is for sale.

With out importance level in that process and with out know almost nothing about I list some limitations on that normal process ( not " audiophile " but normal. ):

- quality level of microphone.
- microphones place during recording.
- use of limiters, equalizers, reververation or other electronics artefacts.
- quality level of monitoring system.
- bias of the recording engineers or recording producer to some kind of sounds.
- edition work.
-dubbing.
-mastering and platting.
-quality level of all the electronics surrounded the recordings: microphone amps, cables, connectors, amps and preamps, overall recording consoles, etc, etc.
-quality of pressing.
-and many other " characteristics " where you can put some light to ignorants as me trying to learn.

and yes, the LP playback whole process is surrounded with faults any where.

So, IMHO both process are far away to be " perfect " or that permits that the LP be the best medium to listen music at home.

of course!: quality of the tape recorder and kind of tape they choosed.


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

With out importance level in that process and with out know almost nothing about I list some limitations on that normal process ( not " audiophile " but normal. ):

- quality level of microphone.
- microphones place during recording.
- use of limiters, equalizers, reververation or other electronics artefacts.
- quality level of monitoring system.
- bias of the recording engineers or recording producer to some kind of sounds.
- edition work.
-dubbing.
-mastering and platting.
-quality level of all the electronics surrounded the recordings: microphone amps, cables, connectors, amps and preamps, overall recording consoles, etc, etc.
-quality of pressing.
-and many other " characteristics " where you can put some light to ignorants as me trying to learn.

Of the things listed most have nothing to do with the LP except the mastering, plating and the resulting quality of the pressings. IME the quality of mastering means a lot more about the pressing quality than the work of the actual plant.

We did one job where the customer was doing the pressing at United, which is not known for pressing quality. I knew some people that got a project done there and the finished LP seemed kind of .... compressed. But in our case when we got the finished pressings back they sounded fine. We didn't add any compression to the recording- usually with LP there's no point to it.

Dear Atmasphere:  "  Of the things listed most have nothing to do with the LP except the mastering, plating and the resulting quality of the pressings. "  

WOW!, I'm totally an ignorant because my thought is ( ? ) that different icrophones have different quality level performance and that it's not the same to make the recording of the 1812 with only three micros than with 8 or 25.

Please let me know, because according with your statement I'm totally wrong, if the audio signal that goes throught the micros, cables/connectors of those micros and micro amps is the audio signal used throught all recording process that at each single link of that process the original audio signal was and is modified/degraded  or it's that at each single link on the recording process only is used the audio signal coming from the micros in original status?  and how is that the quality level on the open reel tape deck used for the " masters " has nothing to do with the LPs?
So from where came the audio signal that we are listening during LP's playback?

Yes, could be that I'm stupid but I don't get it your answer to my question.

Can you help me?, appreciated and than's in advance.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R

Dear Atmasphere: You was whom started the thread and as I posted I'm just one more ignorant ( down there ) about the overall recording process and that's why I ask to the expert that in this case is you but you don't gave any explanation about and only said: "  the things listed most have nothing to do with the LP except the mastering, plating and the resulting quality of the pressings. "

IMHO I think that an explanation is in order to why the other " subjects/recording characteristics " have nothing to do with the LP because I can read in several LP's " histories " how the recording was made where talks on many those recording links that you say " have nothing to do with LP ". Examples:

- in the Rega recording of Cristine Collister LP Roy Gandy ( that I think is not an ignorant as me. ) write in the " historty " of this recording: " After trying many new and vintage microphonesCristine choose the amazing Pearl C22.... to avoid the increase of sibilance.... we built a new mixing console......all the voices and instruments were recorded directly  into the tape machine ( Studer A80 ) via a Rega designed mic preamp.....to mix the final 8-tracks onto two-track 1/4 inch Rega designed  a purpose built fully discrete 8-channel mixer based on the Rega pre-amplifier. Monitoring on various Rega speakers... "

- Sheffield was and is famous because their D2D great recording where they by-pass ( between other things ) the tape recorder used nonmally in all LP recordings and where exist always a degradation of the original audio signal.
Sheffield made other non D2D very good recordings: " live to two-tracK ".

- Music Labs has its own K2 recording technology.

- The Super Analogue Disc were famous recordings because they explain and by pass more than 4 normal recording process links.

- VTL not only builded his mics mixer/amp but build in purpose the microphone that was used during the VTL recordings.

-Three Blind Mice ( Misty ) made this recording ( and others. ) using 3 mics on the piano, 3 mics in the bass and 8 mics in the drums ( almost all different mics ). So, 14 mics for three instruments.

- other label recordings use only 3 mics and other labels 20-40 as deutchs gramaphone.

- on those recording LP examples the producers and enginners were different and all those LP sampels sounds way different with different quality level.

Why all those recording labels took so many care and choices and even build own electronics to make better recordings where we can hear the differences?  if almost all what I listed " have nothing to do with the LP " from where comes the differences on each recording?

Could you make a wide explanation that put some light in what I posted here and elsewhere in this your thread?

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.