Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?


I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
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It appears the 801 is actually slightly more complex than the 101. I believe I would just as much prefer the 101 because it is more easily serviceable I suppose. As far as the rubber goes, my Micro Seiki has a rubber platter ring and it is as good as new but if it became damaged it would be expensive to replace. You could easily get by without using it of course and simply put a mat over it.
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=106&image_id=16222

http://www.thevintageknob.org/jvc-TT-801.html

I haven't had a chance really to play around with my tt 801, but here are some observations.

1. The tt 801 DOES have the stepped pitch control like the tt 101. The control panel and speed indication is different though. Instead of showing the actual change in speed like the 101, the tt 801 displays '33/45 +/- .n' where 'n' refers to the number of steps up or down away from 33/45. Additionally, the 801 incorporates a reset buttton to quickly return to 'normal'.

2. The platters are different. The tt 101 platter weighs 1636g and the tt 801 weighs 2706g. The tt 101's platter is damped by a rubber ring seated (glued) underneath, while the 801's platter incorprates 2 rings that are secured to the aluminum via 6 screws.

3. Perhaps as a consequence of the heavier platter, the 801's motor has greater torque.

4. Although the 801's platter is heavier, the 101 motor unit is acually heavier. The materials making up the bezel of the two units appear completely different. The 101 is solid underneath the bezel, while the 801 is surprisingly delicate there.

5. My 801 didn't come with a rubber mat so I don't know for sure how the vaccum function works. From what I can see, there  are four holes surrounding the spindle that act as ports for the suction. Presumably, the oem mat has matching holes that traverse and direct the vacuum to the outer and inner rims (where one can see in pictures holes drilled through). These latter holes would be the vacuum exit points and hence where one's records would be held down. Presumably, one can use other vacuum units as long as the suction power is roughly equivalent. The problem is how to jerry-rig the mat if one doesn't have one.

How do the two compare sonically? I'm going to find out this weekend.

For anyone interested, some guy is selling a brand new in box tt 801 motor unit on Yahoo japan. For a very reasonable price IMO. There can't be too many of those left in the world. No affiliation.


The vacuum platter and pump was an option with the 801. With the Micro the pump is necessary because of the air bearing but you obviously don't have to use the vacuum.
The airflow paths in the Victor TT801 are visible here
http://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/etc/tt-801.html
My suggestion would be to replicate the rubber mat in delrin which is easy to machine.
There is also a TT801 vacuum pump on Yahoo Japan at the moment.


rwwear, I almost giggled when I read your statement that you might prefer the TT101 to the TT801, because the former is "more easily serviced".  Indeed, if there is a more complex and difficult to service DD mechanism in the world than that of the TT101, I would say stay away from it.  As to your contention that the vacuum was an option with the TT801, can you document that?  Or do you mean to say that a TT801 with no vacuum hold-down is a TT101, which is what I have believed before this specific discussion?

I did have some heartening news today.  I sent a TT101-specific Integrated Circuit chip to a fellow enthusiast in Germany for repair of his own TT101, and he informed me that my chip worked to salvage his unit.  He is very pleased, and so am I, as the owner of a TT101 that currently is only good for a boat anchor.  Where there's life, there's hope (realizing that this is hardly a matter of life and death).