Help With 60Hz Hum PLEASE


Greetings,

I am having some issues with noise coming through my speakers at low volume. The noise sounds like a 60hz cycle hum, and can be heard clearly when the volume is all the way down. I have tried several things to quiet down this noise, but nothing has worked so far.

Before I give details of action items I have tried, let me inform you of the components I am running.

My system consist of:

·     AV PRE/PRO MARANTZ 8801

·     AMP ADCOM GFA-7805

·     SONY 300 DISC CD CHANGER

·     SPEAKERS B&W CDM9NT/CDM CNT/CDM1NT

·     SUB VELODYNE SPL1000 SERIES II (NOT HOOKED UP AT THIS TIME)

·     USING XLR INTERCONNECTS BETWEEN PRE-AMP AND AMP (MONO PRICE)

·     DEDICATED OUTLET CONNECTED TO 20AMP CIRCUIT BREAKER

·     FURMAN POWER CONDITIONER (EVERYTHING PLUGS INTO THIS)

·     I SEGREGATE OUT THE AC POWER LINES FROM THE SIGNAL AND SPEAKER CABLES


So this is what I have done to check the system so far.

1.   First off I separated all of the components power sources, plugging each component into its own outlet with the amp plugged into the dedicated outlet. (NO CHANGE, NOISE PRESENT)

2.   Unplugged any no essential item leaving just the pre-amp and amp plugged in (NO CHANGE, NOISE PRESENT)

3.   Removed the amp from the system, plugged in single source and speaker set (NOISE IS COMPLETELY GONE!!!)

a.   FOR ABOVE TEST I USED MY IPHONE WITH A SET OF RCA INTERCONNECTS STRAIGHT TO THE AMP.

                                              i.   I really suspected the amp at first because about a year ago I had the unit repaired for a standby condition. The repair center I used also repaired the CENTER CHANNEL BOARD while they had the unit. I noticed that the center channel has almost no noise coming through, but after the previous findings I decided this might be a symptom not the cause of the noise.

4.   Hooked back up system and tested (CRAP, THE NOISE IS BACK)

5.   Unplugged all of the XLR interconnects from pre-amp side (NOISE IS GONE, YEAH!)

6.   Plugged in one interconnect into pre-amp (noise comes through that channel)

7.   Switched between XLR and UNBALANCED (THE UNBALANCED CONNECTION WAS A BIT WORSE)


My conclusion is that something is happening between my pre-amp and amp that is allowing this 60hz signal though. I am wondering if it could be the interconnects themselves because I am not using a high quality interconnect. All I am using is Mono Price XLR cables. Although, why would there be no noise when the cable is plugged into the amp and not the pre-amp? Might the Marantz 8801 be the culprit due to the fact that when I plug in the cable into the pre-amp is when the noise comes through? Or maybe my first instinct was correct in that the amp is the problem?

Any help figuring this out is appreciated.

Thank You Kindly,

Joe

jo3533
I think my post about XLR cables not being plugged in and there being noise was an error.

CONFIRMED With the amp connected but not the per-amp there is no noise. Checked it twice tonight.

That makes more sense why it doesn’t matter if the Marantz is powered on or powered off with the power cord disconnected from the power outlet.

jo3533,

Did you buy the Adcom amp new or used?

I believe you said in a previous post the amp always had the hum since you have owned it. Is that correct?

Did you click on the two links I provided for the sound of 60Hz and 120hz? Does the hum/buzz sound you hear sound like either one of them?

Is it actually a hum or a buzzing sound?

I looked at the schematic wiring diagram you provide in your last post. Do you have a diagram that shows the power transformer and DC power supply?

You said in an earlier post you had the amp worked on because the center channel had went out.

You said:


"I think they replaced the bridge rectifier. Can bridge rectifiers that are old or going bad allow noise through?"


Did the service tech say anything about if anything in the rectifier circuitry had shorted to the metal chassis or anything like that?

Was any fuses blown?

The reason I ask if you look at the schematic wiring drawing, look at the XRL connector pinouts. Look at pin #1 ground and follow the line down the page and you come to R49 a 1/4 watt resistor which is in series with the line. Follow the line on down the page where it ends at the earth ground symbol. This is the circuit that connects the signal ground to the metal chassis of the amp.

By chance was this 1/4 watt resistor blown because of a B+ short to the chassis?

If the connection of the signal ground to the metal chassis is open, not made, then the outer metal case/chassis could cause noise problems.

If the signal ground is floating above the chassis I wonder what that does to the input sensitivity of the input circuit of each channel of the amp.

Do you have a multimeter?

If so I would be curious if there is continuity from pin 1 on any XLR input connector to the metal chassis of the amp.

I would first check for DC voltage from Pin 1 to the chassis. Amp powered on. If the 1/4 resistor is good you should read zero DC volts. (Just guessing the value of the resistor is 10 ohms or less.)

If that is the case turn off the amp. Unplug it from the AC power wall outlet. Then check for continuity from Pin 1 to the metal chassis of the amp.


Al,

If by chance you are reading this post I would appreciate your thoughts.

Jim

jo3533,

Here is a quote from Charles Hansen.

The only way that the case can provide any shielding for the audio circuitry is if it is connected to the signal ground. In addition, if it is left unconnected from the signal ground, then it will create unwanted capacitive feedback loops (both positive and negative) between various parts of the circuitry. Refer to Morrison’s books for additional details.

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/52/525622.html


jea48,

I bought the ADCOM used. One channel was not working, and it would not turn on at all when first purchased. The tech was not very forthcoming on what exactly he replace. He did mention the bridge rectifier however he never confirmed if he replaced it. I have tried to contact him several times and have not received a response......Dunno whats up with that. There are no traditional fuses on this unit. It has had some mod completed by ADCOM that uses some other sort of safety.

YES, I listened to the two links and it sounds just like the 60hz buzz! I mean its dead on with the recording.

I do have a diagram that shows the DC power supply and I will post it in the shared dropbox folder.

I want to point out that the transformer itself produces an audible 60 hz buzz that can be herd while standing next to the unit. I have read this is normal.

Using my multi meter I checked for continuity between the chases and the #1 pin on the XLR jack and yes, there is continuity. There is also continuity between the chases and the outer shell of the RCA jack.

I went doen to Stereotypes in Daytona Beach, FL and they were nice enough to allow me to borrow a set of TARA LABS XLR IC for a small deposit.

I plugged in the Tara Labs cables and the noise was still there! Rats....it was worth a try.

almarg, the 7800 series uses the same amp boards for the GFA-7805/7807. You will see the same markings for the power supply schematics. Link to service manual below.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p7w1zmad9dwhx3o/AAC1ZY5kCxocLwKCn_nfTgBNa?dl=0

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