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Class "A" phono cartridge discussion.

I would like to have a discussion about what cartridges are class A. Stereophile has their list but I can't help thinking there is probably a lot left out.

Last year I traded my Delos for a used EMT TSD15 because the TSD 15 was listed as class A in Stereophile. I love the TSD 15. It is the best cartridge I have heard. But I will probably have to re tip it soon. $1250 for a re tip is expensive but I will be able to do it when I have to. Moving to anything else from here is just too cost prohibitive. Three to ten thousand for a class A cartridge is just probably not going to happen. Although Miyajima sounds enticing to me. Maybe some day. The funny thing about the TSD 15 is it has been around for decades and I'd never really heard much about it until recently.

 I'm curious if there are other classic cartridges that are class A that can be had for less than the upper echelon price? Maybe we can start a list.

The funny thing about the Stereophile list is that you have to go to a $7000 Lyra, $4800 Sound smith for Class A in those brands. There are currently no ZYX, no Dynavectors and no Shelters on the list despite being popular brands.

I do have a ZYX Yatra and had a Delos. The TSD 15 is better than both. 
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lewm
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So I guess this discussion has pretty much fizzled out, if it all comes down to "Needle Doctor".  Almost none of the putative
"best" cartridges that I have never heard were even mentioned here.  However, a collection of subjective judgements such as this does have its limitations.  Safe to conclude that the Stereophile ratings system should not be taken as gospel or all inclusive, by any means.
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atmasphere
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I find that the ability of the arm to get the cartridge to track correctly trumps what cartridge you have- so much so that a very inexpensive cartridge will sound very much like a really pricey one **if** the arm is really able to track both of them properly (and details such as loading are given proper attention).

After having a manufacturer mentioned here not stand behind what was clearly a defect in the cantilever of his $8000 cartridge (which resulted in the otherwise undamaged cantilever loosing the stylus),  I have been rethinking the whole cartridge thing of late.

I do find that I am partial to Micro Benz- we have one here in the shop turntable that has stood the test of time quite well- its easy to set up in a lot of arms and while it must be about 15 years old at this point, has been played a lot and yet the cantilever suspension is still good!
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slaw
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Well, the lack of those that posted above, waxing enthusiastically, that chose not to respond to my simple question, reinforces to me, that there is some sort of class distinction/exclusion from certain threads. While I am aware of LPGEAR, I just thought I could try to join in by asking my simple question. Further posts will require much more thought before I attempt again.
lewm
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Slaw, Are you talking about your one-sentence question regarding best price on an ART9?  And lack of response to your off-topic question causes you to believe other respondents to the OP are snobs?  I would instead conclude that (1) no one here may know the answer to your question, or (2) the question was beside the point, or (3) both.  Obviously, you can search for a vendor inside the USA, if you live in the USA.  Then you might check Tokyo- or HK-based vendors who regularly sell on eBay.  Most of those who have lasted over time are completely reputable and unlikely to cheat you.  I wouldn't even worry about the US warranty; Japanese dealers honor the Japan warranty, which is just as good.  Beyond that, you're on your own. 

For all I know, the ART9 is as good or better than any other cartridge mentioned so far.  But, I wouldn't really know.
don_c55
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Worthless list!

You have to know how to setup the arm/cartridge/ turntable yourself, and judge for yourself, in your own system, to your own taste!
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