Isolating Digital Noise, need help.


I'm hearing noise from my ARC CDP thru my speakers presenting as a high frequency "whine" or "soft screeching." I need to isolate my digital from the AC line it shares with my analogue components. Running another dedicated line is not an option at this time.

I was wondering if a power strip with isolated receptacles, such as star-grounding, would be an alternative to a separate AC line.
As a test, I now have the CDP connected to a different outlet in my house and the noise thru my system is eliminated.

Would this type of power strip be an effective solution, and if so, I could use some recommendations. I have several layers of Blue Circle power conditioning, so I would need a strip with surge/EMF/RFI protection.
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I believe this proves that the ARC CDP is introducing noise into the shared dedicated line and needs to be isolated.
Yes, but per my previous post perhaps the extension cord itself would provide sufficient isolation, when plugged into the outlet that is normally used. Seems worth trying, on both the CDP (the source of the noise), and the preamp (which is probably where the noise is causing the trouble).
The amp is now known to have a grounding issue, but is it possible that that this low-level hum could be due to the fact that the second line’s grounding is unknown?
That is very conceivable. Jim (Jea48) has previously provided us with a link to a paper by Bill Whitlock (the Jensen Transformer person, although he may be retired now) in which it is explained that ground loop hum is usually caused or contributed to by coupling of EMI between the hot & neutral wires and the safety ground wire in the house wiring. Which occurs very minimally with Romex, due to its symmetrical design, but occurs to a much greater degree with wires in conduit. Is there any way to determine what kind of wiring is used between that outlet and the breaker panel?

Also, Jim (Jea48) makes a good point about jumpers. Given that there is no balanced/unbalanced switch on the amp, and that it has an unbalanced internal signal path, I suspect that jumpering pins 1 and 3 together on each XLR connector might be helpful, with respect to hum and/or sonics. Check for continuity between the center pin of each RCA connector and pin 2 of the corresponding XLR connector. Also check for continuity between the ground sleeve of each RCA connector and pin 1 of the corresponding XLR connector. I suspect you’ll measure close to zero ohms in both cases. If so, I would suggest that at some point you obtain some solid core wire of a gauge that would provide a snug fit and use it to jumper pins 1 and 3 on each XLR connector.

BTW, "OL" is most likely derived from either "out-of-limits" or "overload," and when you are measuring resistance signifies that the resistance is greater than the 20 million ohm upper limit of what the particular meter can measure. In other words, an open circuit.

Best regards,
-- Al

ARC CD2 wiring schematic wiring diagram.

http://www.audioresearch.com/ContentsFiles/CD2%20Sch%20pl%20tips.pdf

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XLR shorting jumper.
http://www.cardas.com/images/cgsp_pic1_transparent.jpg

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Decoupling the power supply of digital from analog.


Quote from the late Robert Crump:

Solid core Romex has an absolute ton of inductance and you can use that to roll off the digital backwash and end up isolating your analog from digital with yards of the solid core Romex in the walls. Romex is insulated with PVC and, again I will say that PVC is what you want rather than anything faster as you just want to pass 60hz and attenuate anything above that.....Stranded wire, especially a twisted lay, will pass high frequencies better, exactly what you don’t want to do with 60hz AC.......Regarding power cords made with PVC it apparently works pretty well as have sold over 8,000 of them the past 21 years.......

You aren’t looking at this correctly........ - rcrump - Cable Asylum »


lowrider57 said:
@jond, the output of the ARC is high; 2.7V unbalanced. But the Atma-Sphere has a switch for -6dB attenuation on the input.

Al,

What are the chances the ARC CDP is still over driving the L & R input stage of the preamp?

Also look at the ARC CDP output section. Transformers are used.
http://www.audioresearch.com/ContentsFiles/CD2%20Sch%20pl%20tips.pdf

Does that mate well with the input section of the preamp?







Thanks, Jim (Jea48). Note, though, that the transformer coupled outputs shown on the schematic you linked to are the digital outputs, not the analog outputs which Lowrider is using.  Although that schematic is for the CD2, rather than the CD3 MkII he is using.

Regarding overload, the UV-1 doesn't appear to have an input overload point specified, but I'd be surprised if it couldn't handle 2.7 volts.  And even more so given that it provides a 6 dB input attenuator.  And in any event, if it were overloading I'm sure Lowrider, who is clearly a very perceptive listener, would have noticed the distortion that would have resulted.

Regarding Mr. Crump's statement, I would add that in the case of most power amplifiers, at least, one certainly does NOT want to attenuate everything above 60 Hz. As has been pointed out in past threads by Ralph/Atmasphere among several other members, since most power amplifiers draw current in narrow high amplitude spikes, rather than continuously throughout each period of the 60 Hz waveform, their AC supply needs to be provided in a manner that is not bandwidth limited below something on the order of tens of kHz. That requirement being one of the reasons upgraded power cords can often provide superior performance compared to stock power cords, for power amplifiers at least, because many of them provide significantly greater bandwidth than most stock power cords.

Also, I just Googled "inductance of Romex" and found a not necessarily authoritative post in a thread elsewhere stating that it is about 1.45 uH (micro-Henries) per foot.  That is indeed high, but for run lengths that are not particularly long I suppose is probably low enough to be compatible with the kinds of bandwidths Ralph refers to, perhaps depending on the particular amplifier.  While at the same time being high enough to provide significant attenuation of digital noise, which typically has a good deal of its frequency content in the MHz range and higher.  

Best regards,
-- Al