JB0194,
Excellent, looking forward to hearing your observations on the platter - it appears very well made.
Good Listening
Peter
Excellent, looking forward to hearing your observations on the platter - it appears very well made.
Good Listening
Peter
Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?
I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
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Most Yamaha DD tables use JVC coreless motors. I took a looksie at the motors of Yammy tables I owned before (PX-2, PX-3, YP-D4) and they all use JVC coreless motors. And judging by the pictures I saw of the GT-2000, the motor appears to be JVC coreless. The GT-2000 uses the motor similar to the JVC QL-A75, with a different arm of course. The GT-2000X uses a more stout fatter bearing than the GT-2000. Some pictures of GT-2000 guts: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/hakoniwa712/44630587.html http://blogs.c.yimg.jp/res/blog-ed-36/hakoniwa712/folder/1502328/40/41843040/img_0?1220603098 GT-2000X vs GT-2000 bearing http://knisi2001.web.fc2.com/gt-2000x-shaft.jpg Underbelly http://www.hi-fi.ru/bitrix/components/bitrix/forum.interface/show_file.php?fid=1076934.jpg More guts picture http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PhUZUCMAAWehU.jpg Some clever armboard idea to use a different arm. http://yahoo.aleado.com/lot?auctionID=k203770319 http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/ra122/users/4/6/6/8/lexcoupe430-img600x4... http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/ra118/users/4/6/6/8/lexcoupe430-img600x4... with FR tonearm http://www.ne.jp/asahi/gonzaemon/audio/img/FR64-2.jpg with SAEC arm http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/ra099/users/4/6/6/8/lexcoupe430-img600x4... I never owned a GT-2000 so I don’t know the sonic difference compare to a JVC. But from the other Yamaha tables with JVC motors, they do have that fluidity in the sound. I can see one advantage of the GT-2000 is the extra wide platter. Perhaps the QL-A70 is JVC’s answer to that with also an extra wide platter. Quite honestly I see enough of the guts of these tables, they are all just variations of the same theme. The attention to details makes the difference, I think. Using a quality motor, you’re winning half of the battle, which I can’t always say that about some sacred cow belt-driver with a toy motor. Happy DD listening! |
Without pre-empting Thuchan's report here eventually.... http://audio16.com/2016/04/08/a-good-table-deserves-a-good-plinth/ |
Henry, I don't think your premise, in the above question, is necessarily correct. GT2000s are not that expensive in Tokyo. I don't know how the values compare to that of a TT101, but it's probably very close. In my opinion, both products are "sleepers", in terms of bang for the buck. That said, I could be incorrect in my idea of relative values based on recent sales. I check Hi-fi-do and Top Class once in a while. GT2000s "seem" to be less rare than TT101s. I've seen many for sale in Tokyo and almost no TT101s. GT2000X is quite rare, based only on my observations over the last 5-6 years and several visits to Tokyo audio salons, whilst visiting our son who lives there. Interesting to note thanks to Hiho that the differences between GT2000 and GT2000X are much more than just adding a metal brace to the plinth. Does the heftier bearing indicate also a more massive platter and also perhaps a more torque-y motor? Can you clarify one thing: Is that Thuchan's plinth? Cutting that shape out of slate is no mean feat. |
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