2 subs in a small room?

perfectpathtech7 posts04-22-2016 3:08pm
I recently went from a single to stereo pair of subs, wanted to move more air, what I was not prepared for was the startling effect on midrange to high frequencies! More detail, wider stage, no joke it was jaw dropping. The explanation I found was there is a phase shift from summing 2 channels into one sub, or mono, masking information, had I known this years ago would have done a pair right from the start I second meerzistar’s advice!

Forgive perhaps the dumb question. I assume what you heard in the mids and highs are only present when the subs are playing low frequencies which is not all the time. So does that mean for parts of the music when there is no low freq information you do not have the improvement you described? Or is the improvement due to you crossing over your speakers at a higher freq?

I understand the idea the idea that multiple subs can help to smooth out modes but of course subs can only do this when they are outputting sound at and below the crossover point right? If the music I am listening to do not information at and below the cross over point throughout the song then will I hear differences in the mids and highs depending on if my subs are outputting sound?

ptrck8874 posts04-22-2016 7:15pmI have 2 Rel G2's integrated with a pair of Sonus Faber stand mounts driven by a pair of McIntosh 601 mono blocks.  Tons of power for a treated 11'x 16' listening room.  The REL's are crossed over 55 and volume quite low at 8 to 10 on the REL volume setting. 

Do you mind if I ask which Sonus Faber monitors you have?  I have the Evolutions and cross mine over at around 35hz.  At least in my room the Evolutions have a flat response down to about 40hz.  BTW, the G2s are crazy! 

Tbooe,

I find that there is usually a major improvement in the upper bass and much of the mid-range (say the two octaves below middle A and a fair bit of the octave above) when you get the subs integrated properly.  "Properly", in this case, includes smoothing frequency response thru the x-over point.  That smoothing can be done with more subs, EQ, or room correction (or any combo of the above).

I can't specify exactly why, but I'd speculate that it's probably a matter of cleaning up hash and overhang around/above the crossover point.  If not addressed, I believe it may have the impact of muddying response in the area described above.  Whatever the reason, the effect is usually very noticeable.  If you run Dirac, just a-b (single sub or a pair) with correction engaged and then off-line.  My guess is that you'll immediately understand what I'm talking about.

I had 5 subs in operation inside a sealed 10x14 room, I even went so far as to install a solid core door and duct tape any suspected leak points around floor and over the heating duct to keep room as air tight as possible. Not only did it sound great its really nice feeling the pressure waves through your whole body. Base treatments are highly recommended otherwise you will have an impossible time sounding good while getting up to desired SPL.   

martykl3,308 posts04-23-2016 8:37amTbooe,

I find that there is usually a major improvement in the upper bass and much of the mid-range (say the two octaves below middle A and a fair bit of the octave above) when you get the subs integrated properly.  "Properly", in this case, includes smoothing frequency response thru the x-over point.  That smoothing can be done with more subs, EQ, or room correction (or any combo of the above).

I can't specify exactly why, but I'd speculate that it's probably a matter of cleaning up hash and overhang around/above the crossover point. 

 Based on your explanation does that mean these improvements to the mid and upper base is only present where the subs are actually outputting sound, assuming I am not using EQ, room correction, or digital Xover?  If so, when the subs are not smoothing out the sound with their output, that the improvements to the mid and upper base is not present?  Since there is not sub information throughout a song, does that then mean the mid and upper base will have inconsistent sound depending on whether or not the subs are outputting anything?