Jeff Rowlands Amp and Dac vs. VAC amp and DAC


Hello, I am new to this forum but I have a question. I am trying to pair an amp + DAC with my Wilson Sabrinas. I have listened to Jeff Rowlands integrated with the Aeris DAC. And the VAC Sigma integrated with the Aeris DAC. Price is a factor and so is space. Does the 625 need a pre-amp? Any suggestions or thoughts? 
rinpoche
Oops... You are right Al... 0 attenuation / unity gain is for DAC feeding a preamp... I Must be getting old! G.
Thanks for the references, Guido. I read through the one on "DAC-based Volume Control," and many of the others. All of which seemed to me to be informative, meaningful, and technically persuasive, yet concise and well presented.

A model that would be good for other manufacturers to follow on their websites, it seems to me. Assuming, of course, that they have similarly meaningful and technically persuasive information to present :-)

Best regards,
-- Al

One of the amplifiers used in the Stereophile review of the Sabrina was a Mac 275.  The reviewer first used the 4 ohm tap and thought it sounded fine.  Wilson's Peter McGrath mentioned that Audio Research amps sounded best from the 8 ohm tap.  The Mac was switched to the 8 ohm tap and both McGrath and the reviewer preferred the 8 ohm tap.  Therefore, setting the output tap to correspond to the lowest impedance dip may not result in the best sound.  Even though the reviewer acknowledged the solid state amps provided deeper bass, he preferred the overall sound best with the tubed Mac 275.

Comparing the anechoic frequency response whereby there is a pronounced upper bass hump to the impedance magnitude indicates this is where impedance is lowest.   A tube amp will likely produce less drive in this range which may minimize the bass hump.  It was also noted the Sabrina's bass Q was on the under damped side which a tube amp will tend to make more pronounced which may even things out.

I prefer a quality tube amp for its more natural sound.  Have fun in the auditioning process.  

 

Thanks for that input, RHL. I would point out, though, that the MC-275 in particular, and also most and perhaps nearly all ARC power amps in particular, have considerably lower output impedances (corresponding to higher damping factors) than most other high quality tube amps. And although those numbers are not specified for the various VAC models, I would feel very confident that difference would apply in their case.

And in fact the MC-275 is arguably almost in solid state territory in that respect, with a specified damping factor of "greater than 22" for the latest version, corresponding to an output impedance on the 8 ohm tap of less than 8/22 = 0.36 ohms.

Although the ARC GSi75 integrated which Pokey reported to work beautifully with the Sabrina is something of an exception in that regard, among ARC amps, having a specified damping factor of "approximately 4," which corresponds to a higher output impedance than is typical for their products. But assuming the 4 ohm tap was being used when he listened to it, I suspect the corresponding output impedance was probably still lower than on the 4 or 8 ohm taps of most or all VAC products.

On the other hand, though, there can sometimes be a tradeoff between which tap is most suitable for a particular speaker, and which tap results in the output stage of a particular amplifier seeing a load that it is happiest with (e.g., which results in the least amplifier-generated distortion, or amplifier-generated distortion that is least offensive in terms of its spectral distribution). So, yes, for that reason among others it would be advisable for Rinpoche to try all of the available taps.

Regards,
-- Al

The tap discussion is way above my head but I am writing it down and when I go to the shop to hear the VAC 200 iq system I will ask about it. If the VAC 200 iq is one of the winners, and I get to bring it home to try with the Wilson's -- I will report back on the combo for sure. But, if I hear you both correctly, the 8 tap is possibly the one to try first? Then the 4?

Also, from what I understand, the JR amp doesn't need anything like this, right? It just needs to be adjusted via the Aeris according to the manual.

I am happy to hear there are fans of the JR 625S2/Aeris combination. And VAC lovers as well. At least I know I am in the right zone. Thanks