For Old Timers who experienced the "Golden Age" of Audio of the 60s and 70s.

Yup, I was there in the late 60s and early 70s during my late teen and early 20s years.  For members who hail from the Philly area, there was Music and Sound Limited (M&S) located in the Jenkintown and later the Willow Grove areas.  Remember Mel and Nel, ... the self-proclaimed musicians and inventors?? M&S carried many of the high end brands mentioned above.  In particular, I recall the Maggie Typany panels, the Infinity Servostatics and the Quad ESLs.  Of course, who could forget the early Crown and ARC lines.  

Unfortunately, I was too young and broke to actually buy any of the high-end stuff, but was an M&S groupie.  Was able to pick up some used Crown gear, Infinity 2000a speakers and a Thorens TT.  For what I had, I was in audio heaven.  But compared to my current rig, I think my old set-up sucked air.

@almarg , not sure I understand your comments that the "best of the best" from back then could still meaningfully compete with contemporary very good gear, especially in the speaker space.  I surmise that materials technology alone would put most modern speakers in a place that the old stuff couldn't touch.  

Thanks for the memories. Truly, ... youth is wasted on the young.

BIF

Hi Bruce (Bifwynne),

As I indicated, Western Electric speaker drivers from the 1930s, and to a somewhat lesser extent Tannoy speaker drivers from the subsequent several decades, often go for tens of thousands of dollars these days. I believe it is very possible to spend six figures creating a Western Electric-based pair of speakers, with custom built modern cabinets and modern crossover components (or perhaps active crossovers used with multiple amplifiers). I haven’t ever heard such a system, but based on multiple accounts I’ve heard and also read about over the years from audiophiles I consider to be particularly credible, and who have either done that or have heard such systems, I don’t doubt that such a system can provide performance commensurate with those kinds of prices.

During the 1990s I did own two different pairs of very large vintage Tannoy speakers from the 1960s, the drivers from which would probably go for upwards of $10K today. I was not particularly enamored of their performance, but my belief is that the reasons related to their cabinets and perhaps also to the condition of their crossover components.  That belief is reinforced by reports here and elsewhere of experiences of others I consider to be particularly credible.

As far as electronics is concerned, one of the best sounding amplifiers I have ever heard, at least when used with an easy to drive pair of speakers, was a pair of Marantz Two monoblocks, ca. 1960, which I owned for a time during the 1990s. I believe they would go for a bit more than $10K today. I also owned a pair of the legendary and even more valuable Marantz 9 monoblocks, btw, which in the case of the particular examples I had were outperformed by the Two’s.

And then there are the best of the vintage tube tuners, such as the Marantz 10B (I’ve owned two of them), and the REL Precedent I currently own. I haven’t heard any of the upper echelon models that Magnum Dynalab has produced in the last decade or so (I have heard some of their older models), but I would certainly be surprised if a 10B in top condition, or a Precedent in top condition together with the necessary external stereo multiplex adapter (the Precedent pre-dates the stereo era), would not be competitive with them in terms of both sensitivity and sound quality.

Best regards,
-- Al

The Infinity 2000A! They had the great RTR ESL tweeters I mentioned above, which blew my young mind. I wanted them SO bad, but had to settle for the lesser 1001 model, without the RTR's. Mel was one of the handful of early high end dealers in the country, and was pals with J.Gordon Holt, who lived in his part of the country, Pennsylvania. I still have some of Mel’s MAS inter-connects.

@almarg,  Al, ...  how much stock do you place on some of the high-tech materials used in better speakers such as neodymium magnets, lightweight and stiff cone materials (e.g., beryllium domes, graphene, and so forth).  I assume that the crossovers are also better.  

Just talking out loud, but I wonder how the top-end speakers of yesteryear would compare in an A-B audition.   

@bdp24  -- I drove (or should I say, over drove) my 2000a speakers with a Crown DC 300 amp.  Talk about an electronic IN-compatibility.  I had to run the amp with the protect circuit in "off mode" because the amp thought it was shorting out.  The high-end impedance was probably in the low single digits because of the electrostatic tweets.  I also blew them out on a regular basis.   I also recall that the inductors got so hot, I couldn't touch the mounting screw head that held the x-overboard down.  

The 1001 and 2000a speakers touted a transmission line woofer set-up which used a cardboard tube stuffed with damping material.  Frankly, it looked like a bass reflex system to me.  FWIW, J. Gordon Holt rated the 2000a as Class B speakers in the day, which was pretty impressive.  And yes, I remember when Stereophile was sans advertisement and paid subscription only.

Btw, do you remember Nel's custom made 10 foot high (or thereabouts) downward firing subwoofer tower?  Nel cut the woofer off at 5 or 10 Hz because he was afraid that it could make 2 Hz sound energy that would boil a person's blood or something crazy like that.  :)  

In 1975 I went into Wacks Audio in Milwaukee, and it started my journey.

I talked to the owner, and he knew I had a big interest in audio.

He took me up a flight of stairs to a locked room, that only certain customers got to see.

Inside were Magneplanar Timpani IIIc speakers, driven by an Audio Research D150, Sp3a and some unknown turntable. The D150 was massive, with three meters and a big knob that cranked up the voltage during start up. One look at that amp, and you knew the owner was dead serious about audio!

The sound that came out of those speakers sounded like "real" music. I had never ever heard anything like that, and was completely blown away!

I could not afford that system, but after hunting around, I bought Magnepan IIa speakers, GAS Son of Ampzilla, Thoebe preamp, and a decent turntable. I was more than satisfied for years!