I used to think passive preamps were superior to active preamps given right the setup, but


my recent evaluation of a modded old SS preamp has me a little befuddled.  I've evaluated $10K+ active preamps in the past and was never impressed especially given their cost.  In general, I've found passives to do better job. I know there's ongoing debate on this.  But here's a very illuminating video on the subject by Bascom King, one of the legends of high end audio.

https://youtu.be/HHl8F9amyY4
dracule1
We'll soon have an optional solid state buffer output stage for our Tortuga preamps. We've been trying various designs for quite a while now and have settled on a JFET output stage with a servo DC offset correction and direct DC input (no coupling cap). I've been listening with and without a buffer for a while now and am challenged to discern whether having the buffer improves dynamics, bass or just gives it more "authority".  Above all trying to do no harm. It may well depend on the combination of other gear - sources/amps - that you have. Still, for those who simply will not consider a passive preamp under any circumstances, offering a buffered LDR preamp (i.e. an active version) seems to make sense. 

Best,
Morten

Mitch you say "controlling the interconnects".

There are two parameters interconnects have that could influence the sound with a passive, resistance and capacitance. And they would have to be very high to have any effect.

Resistance is nothing to worry about as it would be so low it’s not even worth considering,, even in 5mts of interconnect.

Capacitance: A 10kohm passive has at worst output impedance of 2.7kohm, with a bad case cheap interconnect of 100pf per ft, if you had 2mts that equates to 600pf cable capacitance. This would have a HF roll of effectively at -3db at 98khz!!!

There is no having to controll the interconnects full stop with a 10kohm passive!!

That’s why you should always use a 10kohm passive, as a 20kohm passive with the above interconnects would be -3db at 49khz. A 50kohm passive would be -3db at 20khz as you can see that does cause a HF cut in the audio band.

Let me remind you what Nelson Pass said.

Nelson Pass,

We’ve got lots of gain in our electronics. More gain than some of us need or want. At least 10 db more.

Think of it this way: If you are running your volume control down around 9 o’clock, you are actually throwing away signal level so that a subsequent gain stage can make it back up.

Routinely DIYers opt to make themselves a “passive preamp” - just an input selector and a volume control.

What could be better? Hardly any noise or distortion added by these simple passive parts. No feedback, no worrying about what type of capacitors – just musical perfection.

And yet there are guys out there who don’t care for the result. “It sucks the life out of the music”, is a commonly heard refrain (really - I’m being serious here!). Maybe they are reacting psychologically to the need to turn the volume control up compared to an active preamp.


Cheers George

In my last all SS system I ran a heavily modded passive McCormack TLC-1 preamp (always on Agon for a grand or less) along with a stock McCormack DNA-500 and it was dead quiet, incredible sound.  I like my tubes but that McCormack SS setup sounded damn good.  

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On the argument that passive is better/worse than an active preamp, just keep in mind that the preamp is just another piece in the audio signal line that his helping shape the sound.  Even a DC blocking signal capacitor in a passive preamp can shape the sound somewhat when the capacitor charges/discharges the audio waveform as it passes through.

As far people who like their passive preamps, it really depends on the sonics coming from your source.  So many DACS/sources can still have that digital type square waveform sound that lacks bass and can be thin.  In this case, a great tube or Class A preamp can really help things.  If the source is tube based or has multiple Class A circuits that are filtering/shaping the sound from the DAC chip, a passive preamp may sound better than an active (depending on equipment choice / synergy).  I describe some of this effect in this post here:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/292574-do-i-really-need-high-slew-rate-opamp-output-my...

A tube or Class A preamp can help further shape this waveform.  It can actually translate more bass from the original DAC waveform and may even give you more midrange body and overall better volume.  Things may sound louder.  On the other hand, a very "solid-state" non Class A preamp may just attempt to reproduce the sound waveforms exactly as they entered the preamp with little or no shaping.