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Equipment Rack

Does it make sense to spend several thousands of dollars on a equipment rack, if Stillpoints are used under every component?
ricred1
audiopoint
208 posts
 

Here we go again Mr. Geoff Kait,

If you personally do not grasp or comprehend information provided by anyone who contributes to the education and advancement of audio, what…? Is it now classified as mumbo jumbo?

You obviously missed Tom’s answer to your question which included - “the fact that the tip was shaped at angles that would reject low frequency attempting to pass up through the point tip. I asked her how she knew this? She said it was common knowledge in her field of seismic science that this shape was a mechanical diode.”

By picking out a small portion of his “total and complete” response to your question and classifying said small portion as mumbo jumbo just goes to prove time and again how much of an obstructionist you actually are on this forum, my personal opinion of course.

Were you able to self research or speak with anyone of authority whose education is specific to seismology to confirm Tom's complete response?  

AND before you begin to take aim at our newest team member who supplied a brief reply for your question, please note that she is a Registered Professional Engineer (PE)  and a Registered Geologist (PG) . For over 30 years she has interpreted seismic data for many different industries. She has authored and presented 14 papers on different aspects of interpretation and understanding compressional waves to the Society of Exploration Geophysicists (SEG) International and she has also worked as a Geotechnical Engineer in the housing industry.

AND since we already discovered that personal credentials other than your own are meaningless to you and In order to provide the proof you continuously demand… that of which can “never” be completely explained in print because of your ongoing tactics to create even more ambiguous arguments before any question is completely answered..., including those technologies that are totally above your ability to comprehend, we would like to invite you in and listen to an Energy Room™.

Dr. Andrew Gear, (Agear) a long time member here on AudioGon would enjoy having you over for an audition. At the very least this listening session would provide the physical proof from personal experience that not only are the Sistrum Platforms™ “not” affected by very low frequencies but the room construction, walls flooring and ceilings on the whole are also “not” affected - and all this performance without the existence of any acoustic panels, traps, etc.. The Energy Room is the first audio product of its kind and directly relates to the function of the platform and technology. You will hear a musical presentation unlike anything you have ever experienced in your past - of this we are extremely confident. Up for a visit or wait for the reviews?

Furthermore, historically you have yet to provide us any answers and/or proof whatsoever to our questions about your products. In fact the only answers we have ever received state you are not willing to answer “straw man arguments” yet you continue to demand the same from others so...

Can we book your flight?

Yours truly and “to whit”,

Robert Maicks

Star Sound

PS: If you really want to learn something new in audio take us up on the invitation to visit an Energy Room. Star Sound will cover the plane ticket and travel expenses.



folkfreak's avatar
folkfreak
1,349 posts
 
I would love to use footers to help isolate more of my components from the effects of outside low frquency noise but am not convinced by this concept of a certain shape being a "mechanical diode"at the frequencies in question and given the vagaries of different loads on the footer

Could you provide a link to a reference for those of us not deep into seismic science? I tried searching but could not come up with anything.

Would be great to have an alternative to the spring based solutions I am currently using
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geoffkait
23,365 posts
 
If it were actually true that the pointed tips of cones and other pointy footers prevented seismic vibration from coming up into the component then why are there so many advanced seismic isolation devices around, not only the ones supporting scanning electron microscopes but the ones in laboratories and universities around the world? Why wouldn’t they all just use "mechanical diodes?" Wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper? And why wouldn’t LIGO, the physics experiment designed to detect gravity waves, also use mechanical diodes in it’s vibration isolation, at least in part of it’s isolation system? Why does LIGO, you know, the project that DID observe gravity waves last year, the ones produced by a merger of two black holes, due ENTIRELY to the effectiveness of it’s seismic isolation system, use springs and pendulums and other advanced vibration isolation systems and NOT mechanical diodes? The answer is that mechanical diodes are not effective as a seismic vibration isolator whereas mass on spring systems are. That probably explains the plethora of advanced isolation devices that have been introduced into the audiophiles market the past twenty years. How many Vibraplanes have been sold since it was introduced twenty years ago? Heck, gotta be close to 10,000.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Cheers,

Geoff Kait
machina dynamica
give me a strong enough spring and I’ll isolate the world
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geoffkait
23,365 posts
 

Addendum to my last: apparently you guys including your "seismic expert" don’t appreciate the problem fully’ Because the Earth’s crust motion and other very low frequency generators like wind ,traffic and wave action on the shore produce wave action of the Earth surface, the entire building is moving. thus, ANY solid coupling to the floor or rack simply allows that building motion to FORCE the component to move along with it, in concert with it.t. This is true not only for the vertical direction but for all six directions of motion. Since the vibrational wave on the surface of the Earth has six components. due to its wavelike nature any solid "mechanical diode" is physically incapable of dealing with rotational and horizontal forces, even if I give you credit for some vertical isolation which I actually don’t. so, like a small boat on the ocean, when a wave passes under it the boat moves up and down as well as rolls side to side and back and forth as well.

cheers,

Geoff Kait

machina dynamica

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rickw062
23 posts
 
Coming from California I can truly understand isolation , we are not dealing with earths vibes. In this hobby we can effectively isolate and even better drain/remove internal noise . If you have turntable rumble or a needle bouncing due to wooden floors you must isolate that component.Now that you have isolated your components you are storing ALL internal noise and energy from tubes,transformers ,etc.Now let's remove all of the internal noise, vibration without total isolation.Open the drain and let it go.Wow this is better than a high dollar component change.After 10 + years of using AUDIO POINTS I am able to enjoy the full potential of my components.I can now enjoy the music in a more LIVE and realistic way.Only ridding the internal noise will bring the live performance to you.Your system has way more potential than you even know.Trust your ears, audio points are keepers.I have absolutely no affiliation with this company whatsoever.I was fortunate enough to borrow a few thing from a friend.Boy was I skeptical.Voodoo,snakeoil,whatever.This stuff actually works wonders above other products.If you can A/B against your stuff you will be amazed.You do have to let it settle a couple days or so.When removed you will be highly disappointed.This is my experience. Hear what you already have, you might lose that high dollar upgrade bug.       Happy listening,Rick W.
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