DEQX Beginner seeking advice


Hello DEQX Users,

I have a demo PreMate on loan for 2 weeks. That is not much time, given the complexity of setup. For now, I am skipping speaker calibration and trying to get room EQ running well. It is the bass in my sealed basement room that's the problem most in need.

1. Is there an online tutorial on this?  I looked at Nyal Mellor's YouTube entry, but I'm looking for something a little more detailed (but less than the manual).

2. Is it true that DEQX room EQ (unlike the TacT 2.2X I own) is applied to both channels, and can't be used to equalize each channel independently?

3. Is it also true that (unlike the TacT), a DEQX main/sub configuration does not automatically set time delays and levels relative to the mains? If so, how do most users accomplish this?

I will appreciate for any tips/help. At first impression, the DEQX DAC and xover sound considerably cleaner than the old TacT, but the complexity of setup is rather daunting.

Thanks!
Mike

P.S. I trust that starting a new thread is the right thing here, rather than hijacking the long, interesting, existing one.
mike_in_nc
Blang11, welcome to Audiogon! As you can see in my system description thread I am using an HDP-5 in my system, which serves as my line stage preamp in addition to providing its signal processing functions. However my system does not include subwoofers or any form of biamping, so I can’t comment knowledgeably on some of your questions. But I’ll give them a shot:

1)I’m not familiar with what Devialet has done in that regard, but I’d imagine it would probably be impractical for DEQX to either do that sort of thing themselves, or to provide enough different speaker manufacturers with their equipment for the measurements to be comprehensive enough to be worthwhile.

2)As you may have seen in the thread Bombaywalla referenced I performed my measurements with the speakers moved to the center of my living room, with large acoustically absorbent panels placed against nearby walls and other reflective surfaces. But the one or two or three second tone bursts that are used for each speaker measurement are typically set to automatically repeat numerous times, which under most circumstances apparently allows the software to pretty much filter out and ignore extraneous outdoor noises.

3 & 4)Many analog volume controls operate similarly, of course, with respect to the resolution of the adjustment becoming coarser at low settings. The gain structure of my system is such that for my critical sources (LP and CD) I use the control in the upper half of its range, where I find the resolution to be satisfactory.

Ideally I too would certainly prefer a numeric readout of the setting, that would facilitate precisely returning to a given setting, but I can live without it. And although it is less convenient, it is still possible to do that using the up/down buttons on the remote, by going a given number of steps above or below a setting at which the light changes color.

Also, as you have most likely seen, the HDP-5 and also the Premate+ provide a volume slider on the touchscreen in addition to the indicator light that is provided on the earlier models. That is of course still less than ideal compared to a numeric readout, but I find it to be a marginally useful feature.

5 & 6)Can’t comment knowledgeably.

7)I don’t do any critical listening off-axis. But many users including me leave profile 0 (the others being numbered 1, 2, and 3) in its as-delivered bypass configuration, so that the speaker and room corrections can be disabled with one press of a button on the remote.

8&9)Can’t comment knowledgeably.

10)I didn’t use the DEQXpert service, but I am somewhat familiar with the experience of one of the members here who posted extensively in the "game-changer" thread and did use the service, and who has a room that is particularly challenging from an acoustic standpoint. The session involved a few hours, with results that he found to be satisfactory at the time. A few months later he purchased another session, which also lasted a few hours, and resulted in some further improvement.

11)I’m not 100% certain, but I believe the answer is "yes," especially given that one pays for the service. Also, I believe that Nyal Mellor can provide a comparable service. I purchased my HDP-5 from him, and yes, he was wonderful to deal with.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al

Re: #7

In my previous apartment, my most comfortable seating was also off to the side a bit in what could hardly be described as a sweet spot. I never got around to it (and have now moved into a much better situation: most comfy seating in sweet spot and room for my speakers to get away from the walls), but I'd thought about making one of the profiles specific to that less than ideal seating spot. On that profile, you could just place the mic at that location in the room. If you'd be moving around in the room, do multiple mic measurements (from spots in areas you'd likely find yourself) and get the best possible room correction from those measurements. 
Roscoe, congratulations on the new digs, and on the improved acoustical situation!  And thanks for posting the links to the John Darko reviews in the "game changer" thread.

Best regards,
-- Al
 
Thanks Al. Looking forward to getting the speakers, DEQX and everything else sorted out in the new room.  Will be reporting on that in the other thread. 

Thanks for welcoming me and offering some guidance! Also, apologies if I should have posted in the “game changer” thread instead of here. If I could cut and paste my post, I would.

 

2. Great answer. That solves that!

 

3.,4. That’s nice that you’re using the upper end of your volume control for the most part. This is not the case in my current system, but because the ARC volume control has 103 steps, I find the adjustments are fine enough for my taste even though I never listen to anything louder than volume setting “75” (typical volume is around 20-40). I’ve been reading up on gain staging so that if and when I upgrade to a DEQX, I won’t have more gain than I need for proper volume range. I’ve seen that Bryston and Bel Canto amps have adjustment gain settings, the lower of which (around 23 db) might be more suitable for my needs. My speakers are rated 88db sensitivity and my room is on the small side of medium. After thinking about gain staging recently, I find it odd how little I see this mentioned in audio websites/magazines. I suppose it doesn’t matter much if you have a fantastic preamp, but not everyone does. I’m currently trying to learn more about the interplay between voltage gain, power output (watts per channel) and current delivery.

 

5. I think it’s telling that multiple posters to the DEQX threads have gone through the DEQX setup process, including with customer support and no one has mentioned speaker ports. I’ll take that as a sign that it doesn’t come into play very much in the company’s opinion.

 

10. Great answer. That solves that!

 

Lastly, I too had read John Darko’s recent review series on DEQX and am looking forward to part III. I hope he gives the crossover functionality a spin. It would be nice to get his take on integrating a subwoofer, but who knows if that’s his bag.