Equipment Rack

Does it make sense to spend several thousands of dollars on a equipment rack, if Stillpoints are used under every component?

ricred107-16-2016 9:47pm

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audiopoint Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 208 posts 08-04-2016 at 01:07am Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete Hello folkfreak, Your request was forwarded to the seismologist who provided us information on diodes related to shear waves and seismic waves. Our associate is doing us a time consuming favor here so please be a bit more patient. Geoff and I both asked for a link to an independent third party data source on how your spikes, or any other similar device could act as a mechanical diode able to isolate against seismological effects, You have yet to provide this. As far as I can tell you have brought no facts to this "debate" We never said spikes would isolate seismological effects. I believe the word used was “rejected” (the audiotweak on 07-25-2016 9:18pm). We stated there is far more energy moving down the Sistrum Platform™ towards earth than energy flowing up the conductive platform hence rejecting the majority of seismic energy rising above the gravity of earth’s ground per the angles of geometry located at the tip of the Audio Point™ and our understanding of shear waves. Analogy: Turn on a fire hydrant with the water flow wide open and put your fist in the hole - it’s a tough go. The same is true with seismic waves moving up the platform. Sistrum Platforms DO NOT ISOLATE. Isolation traps energy within the component. Without an exit, resonant energy propagates on all smooth surfaces hence establishing component operational "inefficiency" (per Coulomb's Law). Within our model the seismic energy has to rise up from the earth moving against the greater flow of energy established by geometry and material science that is rapidly moving downward supported by the laws of motion and gravity. We do not care where interfering energy comes from. It will arrive via air-borne, floor-borne and structure-borne sources regardless of any type of attempts to isolate it. Our platforms are made of conductive materials and vibrates, attracting energy from every known source. The key to function is "resonance transfer" to ground via high speed conductive pathways depending heavily on the forces of gravity. The seismic energy actually arriving upwards at the component level is so minute after battling motion, gravity and space, well in truth we never heard it so these mini earthquakes were never on our radar. We have disclosed facts on this thread related specific to the mechanical sciences for which our products and technology are based which is resonance caused from vibration related to Coulomb’s Law. We can provide as much non-proprietary information as you can digest relative to our applications. Proprietary information at this time cannot be divulged do to current US Patent searches. You can begin here: http://starsoundaudio.com/liveVibeDetails2.php?Vibration-and-Coulomb-Friction-5 Seismology has been around for some time, agreed? Live-Vibe Technology™ has been around for sixteen years so we do not know everything or have a history of scientific data supporting it. When we say its a new approach, it is just that - a new technology where we are working to prove as a science. Until the data arrives from our investment in third party testing, we can only back our claims in that we are willing to compare the performance of our products to any in today’s market - any comparisons, any products. The one leg we stand heavily on is the proof of undeniable musical performance. Again, we are working to acquire you more information. R Maicks
geoffkait Details Discussions Posts This discussion 23,365 posts 08-04-2016 at 01:48am Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete "We never said spikes would isolate seismological effects. I believe the word used was “rejected” (the audiotweak on 07-25-2016 9:18pm). We stated there is far more energy moving down the Sistrum Platform™ towards earth than energy flowing up the conductive platform hence rejecting the majority of seismic energy rising above the gravity of earth’s ground per the angles of geometry located at the tip of the Audio Point™ and our understanding of shear waves." the trouble with that entire paragraph is that the frequencies involved are quite different so one set of vibrations coming down cannot block the seismic (very low) frequencies going up. Furthermore the energy involved with the seismic vibration is much much greater than the energy coming down towards the floor since seismic energy can move the entire building, and does move it, the everyday microseismic activity moves the building up and down, to and for, and in 3 rotational directions. The spikes are unable to deal with the rotational directions of seismic vibration and cannot block them. So the real analogy is it’s like a 44 Magnum vs a pea-shooter, with the seismic vibration being the 44 Magnum. Without decoupling techniques such a mass on spring the whole Coulomb device is moving right along with the motion of the bundling and the spikes are moving up and down right along with the motion of the building. There is nothing coming down the pike resembling 0-20 Hz, but there is plenty of seismic vibratin going UP the pike in that region, which includes the resonant frequencies of tonearms, cartridges, turntable platters, CD laser assemblies circa 8-12 Hz. If spikes could block seismic vibrations as you claim LIGO, the experiment to detect gravity waves could have saved itself an awful lot of time and effort by foregoing the very advanced seismic vibration isolation systems they developed and just used Coulomb type devices, or spikes or mechanical diodes. But that would not have worked. In order to obtain the instrument sensitivities that were eventually deemed necessary to detect gravity waves (recall they are the amplitude of the diameter of a neutron) REAL and HEROIC sesmic vibration isolation techniques were required. Gravity waves were not detected overnight. LIGO project was begun 20 years ago and didn’t detect gravity waves until last year, most of the effort was actually applied to the development of the seismic vibration isolation systems. Geoff Kait Machina Dynamica vibration isolation & resonance control
folkfreak Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,349 posts 08-04-2016 at 02:53am Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete The opinions of the engineers who have worked on this study throughout our history stated all along that the geometry governing the tip of the Audio Point rejected low frequency from the floor surface . Our newest associate in science flew in for a meeting to fully see what we were doing as she found our design for the mechanical grounding of musical instruments on the web and thought the two of us might be sharing on an infringement with regards to each other’s patents and methods. ... She said it was common knowledge in her field of seismic science that this shape was a mechanical diode. This is the full quotation. Personally my reading of the definition of a diode is close to 100% rejection, in other words isolation at the frequencies in question I’m also hopelessly confused as to what you are claiming your devices do. Per your latest they DO NOT ISOLATE so presumably they do not reject any of the extremely low frequency interference that is at issue in all of this discussion and thus in comparison with spring based products bring nothing to the table Arguments about the proportions of energy moving up rather than down are besides the point (and also act as a perfect demonstration that your product is not in any way a diode) And by the way where is all this sub 8Hz interference moving down your platforms coming from (your fire hose analogy)? I’m not sure I’m aware of any well set up audio system that generates energy at this frequency? I think this was Geoff’s point in response The one leg we stand heavily on is the proof of undeniable musical performance. Really all of this fuss could have been avoided if you'd refrained from making claims based on assertions of science and instead said what you say above -- "we fine tune our stuff to sound good and improve the performance of your system", it was good enough for the makers of Cremona after all (and by the way I believe you)
halcro Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 2,664 posts 08-04-2016 at 03:30am Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete Within our model the seismic energy has to rise up from the earth moving against the greater flow of energy established by geometry and material science that is rapidly moving downward supported by the laws of motion and gravity. We do not care where interfering energy comes from. It will arrive via air-borne, floor-borne and structure-borne sources regardless of any type of attempts to isolate it. Our platforms are made of conductive materials and vibrates, attracting energy from every known source. The key to function is "resonance transfer" to ground via high speed conductive pathways depending heavily on the forces of gravity. The seismic energy actually arriving upwards at the component level is so minute after battling motion, gravity and space, well in truth we never heard it so these mini earthquakes were never on our radar. Geoff was right.....total mumbo jumbo 🤔 You admitted you were not a physicist R Maicks.....but you should also have included 'scientist' in that disclaimer. As folk freak rightly says......peddle your snake oil without the pretence of the relevant sciences that apply. Sciences I might add, that are obviously a mystery to you 💩
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