Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
Dave that's cool. It's all good. This thread has a life of its own anyways and we r waiting on Matt and a few of us who are waiting on new or upgrades DACs to discuss lol. 
Guys, the show at Audio connections on Sat was a ton of fun.  Michael from Audiostream showed up and we spoke most of the day (sorry Michael, lol).  Alex from Ayre showed off the QX5 and Roon. First time for each for me. I really enjoyed Roon and will incorporate it into my new digital set up I'm thinking.  Ketch, we NEED to speak, lol.

No true impressions of the QX since it only had 30 hours on it at best. It DID warm up and by 6pm is was sounding surprisingly good for that few hours on it.  I was enjoying the music, where earlier in the day I couldn't listen. This is WHY you can't judge gear until it's fully broken in.  I heard the bones of this thing though and I can tell that it's a winner that punches well above it's price of 9k.  Ten digital inputs of every type.  Streamer built in and easy to set up and use.  I honestly like that, plus it's a good looking unit that is built in true Ayre fashion.  Flawless construction and solid throughout.  I got to spend a ton of time with Alex Brinkmann as we all went out to eat afterwards too.  A really fun day.

Alex spoke about the special digital and analog filtering they are able to do by working with ESS on the DAC.  The unit implements their new double diamond analog stage as well as double filtering of the RF on the incoming power.  The unit has a very very low noise floor and they have optimized each of the ten inputs.  Even the satellite TV will sound better according to Alex and I have no reason to not believe him.  He's very open and honest about his gear.  Even the weaknesses of some pieces.  he likes to get feedback so they can keep engineering better products and improve what they have.  I was very impressed as you can all tell.

The sound of the headphone single ended jack with 0 hours breaking was balanced as heck.  It's basically the award winning Codex headphone amp with the best parts Ayre could find. With the money to play with for the headphone jack, they decided to make a world class headphone amp that has both balanced as well as 1/4" and 3.5mm single ended inputs.  Those of you who own a source and DAC/headphone amp will LOVE this piece.  I think it could become one of THOSE DACS as it will be an all in one piece for your personal audio system.  You can just stream Tidal or Qbuz (however it's spelled) and call it a day with a pair of LCD3/4's or Hifiman 1000's or the new Focal Utopias.

I can't wait to get mine and break it in.  Just wanted to share what I have for now.  Color me duly impressed so far.

Greetings Everyone. 


I wanted to update you regarding Steve Nugent's Empirical Overdrive Diamond SX with the optional internal galvanic isolated Ethernet direct I2S converter cpu.  I have run the is unit 24/7 for now over 1000 hours and I must admit the caps needed this time to break in.  This will be the first dac that I felt needed over 6 weeks of almost continuous play to break in.  However, this is one instance where patience paid dividends.  

Since we all have our own perception and certainly favor different qualities, I am not going to delve into a lengthy review.  The qualities that stand out and I believe most would agree, the dac is well balanced on all fronts and certainly demonstrates design implementation is more important than the dac chip itself.  Historically, I have been approached by others who felt the ODSE was overly analytical.  I humbly disagreed as I found it to be detailed, accurate and perhaps unforgiving.  While I found the SE emotionally engaging, the SX is addictive. The more dacs I audition, I find myself with a preference to non-oversampling design implementation.  My goal is to compare this unit to a R2R ladder dac, Totaldac, and will report my results.  At 4x the price, it would have to engage me on an entirely different level.  Steve's dac chip is proprietary and I feel discussing design theory should be left to the electrical engineers.

At first blush, I had found little difference between the ODSE and the ODSX.  Over time the Diamond SX bloomed, creating an even more precise presentation of the music. Well-recorded intimate recordings immersed me into a room of musicians. Big venue live recordings placed me back from the stage, closer to the soundboard, creating a deep and viable soundstage. Both the ODSE and the ODSX have been the best interpolating PCM data and recreating an accurate presentation of the recording, especially piano, wind instruments, and particularly the mid and upper range of percussion decay. I still hold to my initial assessment years ago. I have yet to find a DSD dac that performs better than Steve’s implementation of PCM. However, I have not heard a ground up designed DSD only (non PCM) dac.

 

The chassis is no different that the ODSE. The faceplate now states SX in place of SE and the knob has a very subtle recessed diamond. Nice touch but for those who upgrade their SE to SX, I would keep your old faceplate and save money. The rear panel is the same. Mine had a manual cutout where the Ethernet input replaced the USB. This does bring me to another point: For those of you who will upgrade, the ODSE/X run hot. The morphology of the circuit boards change and this will affect the soldering. I highly recommend you pay the extra nominal fee and use a virgin board.   Longevity is essential. While I am sure Steve will service these units well into retirement, save yourself the headache.

 

Those of us who owned these units before know these units run hot. While breaking in, I ran the unit in my office on my desk, which is quartz composite. The unit ran hot, up to 208* over the Ethernet board. Steve assured me this is not an issue. When I placed in my system on Bubinga wood, the temperature dropped by 50* while being relocated in direct sunlight and reset to high-output line out. Surfaces matter, ventilation matters. I have run this dac hard without failures on any level.

 

The Ethernet DNLA/UPnP is simpler, more robust, and strait forward. Unlike USB, Ethernet packets of data are checked for errors and packets with errors are resent. The more I read about USB implementation, more validating why I despised it and found it universally inferior to AES/EBU. ROON uses its own RAAT protocol in place of DNLA/UPnP. The third party company which designed the Ethernet to I2S converter CPU chip has no interest in RAAT. ROON states they will implement DNLA but with no timeline. Because of this current incompatibility, I have not pursued ROON at this juncture. One manufacture who uses this CPU has figured a work around and was able to implement ROON RAAT. However this was not to an I2S conversion. Through Bubble UPnP and Linn Kazoo (both free) I am able to stream Tidal without any issue. Linn Kazoo is not on the same league as ROON or even Tidal’s own controller. To say it plainly, the user interface sucks.

 

There are many third party controllers. Some are free, while some are cheap to purchase. They all work well, and I give credit to this third party manufacturer. Not all Ethernet dacs/Renderers have this level of performance. Please note:  I find those controllers that send a file direct from NAS to the DAC without processing sound better. Those who have interest in this topic please PM me for more detail and discussion. I would love to learn where others have found success and discovered absolute ‘do not’s’.

 

I wish to commend Steve on a well designed dac. Thank you for reigniting my passion for this hobby. This last year has been somewhat frustrating for me. High-end components do not necessarily play well together and this certainly has been a journey. When my wife leaves a concert and says that sounded as good as listening at home, she is complementing the venue…and Steve the credit belongs to you.


For anyone who has been following this discussion, there is currently an Overdrive SE for sale in the classifieds. Steve has it with him now and can upgrade it to SX status if you desire. It is a fully loaded with accessories, and every bit as good as reported earlier in the thread.
Hello Ketcham,
I am glad you are enjoying your SX DAC.
I am curious whether you are using the DAC’s volume control and/or Steve’s Final Drive, or do you run your DAC to a preamp?
Have you tried either (the volume control or the Final Drive) and if so what did you think of them?
Thanks for sharing any insights.