Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?

ddriveman: I tried the mu metal shield and ERS paper on my Yamaha GT2000 between the original platter and the copper platter mat. I found the ERS paper to give more refined highs, but that could have been due to its damping effect as a slightly soft layer between two metal layers. The mu metal didn't seem to have a beneficial effect and may have had a slight negative one. Anyone else with experiences?

Yes.....I wrapped Mu metal around the power supply of the Victor TT101 and the results mirror that of sampsa.
No effect or better without.
The metal screen/cover to the motor unit (when properly grounded) does the job it's supposed to do....

halcro OP
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09-15-2016 6:47am
Yes.....I wrapped Mu metal around the power supply of the Victor TT101 and the results mirror that of sampsa.
No effect or better without.
The metal screen/cover to the motor unit (when properly grounded) does the job it’s supposed to do....

It should probably be mentioned that the grounded screen/cover and the mu metal wrap have entirely functions, the screen function is RFI/EMI absorption whereas the mu metal function is low frequency magnetic field absorption. I’ve had good results wrapping large toroidal transformers and medium size rectangular transformers with low frequency high permeability mu metal; I actually wrap them twice leaving a small gap between the two layers. Better safe than sorry.

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Geoff, I would have thought that "EMI absorption" is but a more concise term for "low frequency magnetic field absorption".  Especially since my reading also tells me that the forte of mu metal as a shield is to block or contain EMI, rather than RFI.  As I understand it, mu metal is not much good with RFI.  Please correct me, if I am off base here.  

L07D owners, including me, espouse the use of a shield between its platter and the stainless steel "platter sheet", which seems to be Kenwood's term for "mat".  For a few years, I used TI Shield, when it was available from M Percy, in this application, and I reported that it did some audible good.  Then I bought an Ortofon MC2000 cartridge and mounted it on my L07D.  I immediately noted that the rotor of the L07D motor, being itself a large magnet, induced magnetism in the TI Shield, which in turn sucked my MC2000 down on to the platter, nearly collapsing its suspension, a very very bad thing.  This observation forced me to remove the TI Shield from the sandwich, and I have lived without it since then.  Apparently the placement of the magnets in the MC2000 (and maybe other Ortofon LOMC cartridges) makes it uniquely susceptible to this problem, because I never had experienced it previously with any other brand or type of cartridge.  I know that Dave Garretson used ERS cloth on his L07D platter, instead of TI Shield, and I wonder whether ERS cloth would produce the same induced magnet problem, probably not.  However, I always thought that ERS cloth might have the negative effect of impeding energy transfer between the platter sheet and the platter, on an L07D, which is why I have not tried it up to now.  Any comments appreciated.  ERS is not quite as good a shield as was TI Shield, as far as I can learn from my reading. (It's a very complex subject.)

On my TT101, I use an SAEC SS300 mat that was hanging around the house, which I tell myself adds some shielding effect between motor and LP surface.  I am using an Acutex LPM320III cartridge in an FR64S, on the TT101, and I perceive no problem that could be ascribed to EMI or RFI, so I don't worry about it.  In fact, that combo is sooooo surprisingly good that I am loathe to experiment further.

Lewm wrote,

"Geoff, I would have thought that "EMI absorption" is but a more concise term for "low frequency magnetic field absorption". Especially since my reading also tells me that the forte of mu metal as a shield is to block or contain EMI, rather than RFI. As I understand it, mu metal is not much good with RFI. Please correct me, if I am off base here."

actually mu metal absorbs magnetic field, that’s why they refer to mu metal as high permeability material, it allows magnetic fields to permeate the material. The correct mu metal for transformers is low frequency high permeability mu metal. EMI is electromagnetic whereas magnetic fields are not electric, strictly magnetic, I.e., gauss the magnetic fields are absorbed not blocked or shielded. Mu metal might actually be good for RF since it is a metal alloy, mostly steel, like a chassis frequently. But conductive materials like ERS cloth are generally of no use against magnetic fields.