Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?


Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late.  Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room").  The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why?  Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
agear

Robert, the drum suspension system I referred to is called R.I.M.S., the letters standing for Resonance Isolation Mounting System. An L.A. studio drummer named Gauger invented and introduced them in 1980, and licensed the manufacturing rights first to DW (Drum Workshop), one of the most progressive drum companies around. R.I.M.S. revolutionized drum mounts, almost every company now using them or making their own version of the same principle. R.I.M.S. attach to the drumhead tensioning hoop rather than the drum shell, allowing the shell to freely vibrate, increasing it’s sustain (the length of time the shell "rings") considerably. A mount attached to the shell itself "chokes" the sound of the drum.

The term resonance in reference to a drum shell is in regards to the length of time it "rings", it’s sustain. But the nature of the construction of the shell also affects it’s resonance; thinner shells usually resonate longer and at a lower pitch than do thicker ones, the extra wood of thicker shells raising the shell’s resonant frequency (it’s "fundamental") and acting as a form of self-damping. The timbre of that resonance is a different matter, timbre being what civilians ;-) call "tone". Timbre is determined by the relative strength of the harmonics of the fundamental. Drums are not considered a "tuned" instrument (an exception being the tympani and Caribbean steel drums), the way guitar and bass are. That’s because drums produce so many overtones (not just harmonics, but intermediate notes) having as much strength as the fundamental itself, that the fundamental is hard to distinguish.

Drums used for recording often have damping applied to the heads, to change the sound of the drum towards the "tighter" sound you mentioned. Tighter in, ironically, having less ring, but in this case of the higher overtones only. The damping absorbs only the highest overtones, making the fundamental more audible. I saw studio drummer Jim Keltner (Traveling Wilbury’s, Ry Cooder, George Harrison, Randy Newman, hundreds of others) playing live on a sound stage in Burbank, and his DW’s rang so long the drum sound was a real mess---far too much sustain for my liking. The struck notes were not audible individually, each still resonating loudly as the next was played---one big, rumbly mess. The opposite of that is the sound Levon Helm of The Band is known for---"thumpy". Gene Krupa’s drums also sound thumpy on those recordings from the 1940’s, but that’s because plastic drum heads had not been invented yet. Plastic heads weren’t available until the late 50’s, and they rapidly replaced the calfskin used until then. Calf heads don’t need damping, as they already sound dead (pun intended ;-).


oleschool
466 posts
10-22-2016 2:20am
I really enjoy this thread , among others with Geoff and Tom . I actually look forward to checking them . : ) what i would enjoy seeing is your system Geoff . How come i can’t find a listing or pics anywhere or in virtual systems . I have read you are using a modded discman ?

Can you elaborate on your setup ..please without a cryptic comment ? i’m sure many are interested in your setup. How often does a teleportation tweek need to be reset or recharged ?
Thanks 😬

I listen mostly to a modded Portable Sony Walkman with vintage Sony Ultralight headphones. The mods include Codename Turquoise treatment, Dark Matter treatment, WA Quantum Chip for headphone cable, some PWB treatments of various kinds. All CDs in current rotation are treated in any number of ways, including but not limited to cryogenic treatment or home freezer, Dark Matter, Super Intelligent Chip, and extensive coloring with various color pens. I also use PWB treatments extensively for all rooms and some of my own products for all rooms (e.g., Flying Saucers for Windows and Flying Saucers for Unused Wall Outlets.

The Portable Walkman is isolated on a Woody the Woodpecker isolation stand with 8 lb of glass microbeads in a deep glass tray. For this particular stand I am using a thick glass plate directly on the bed of microbeads as the top plate. My commercial woodpecker iso stand varies considerably from this setup, which is kind of a test bed. Or bed of The entire iso stand is supported by NASA grade ceramic cones. The Walkman sits on two addition stages of isolation - (1) strained layer damper that employs a slab of aluminum and viscoelastic material and (2) a set of my Super Soft Springs for very lightweight components. I also listen to a Sony portable cassette player with same set up.

Just to to point out some advantages of such low mass minimalist systems: no house AC, no AC ground, no power cords, no interconnects, no speaker cables, no crossovers, no transformers and no fuses.

The Teleportation Tweak takes 20 seconds to do over the phone and is permanent. The exception is when the customer changes phones in which case the Teleportation Tweak would have to be redone. For customers with more than one phone, ideally all phones should be treated separately. The Teleportation Tweak improves both audio SQ and video picture quality.

geoff kait
machinadynamica.com
we do artificial atoms right

agear OP
1,172 posts
10-21-2016 8:14pm
Geoffkait:For those interested I have quite a few technical papers on my web site.

See this page for the links to technical papers, including vibration isolation, the Clever Little Clock and even the Teleportation Tweak,

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina6.htm

to which agear replied,

"I presume you are using the word "technical" loosely here. In regards to the Teleportation Tweak you state:

4. What does the Teleportation Tweak sound like? By attenuating the deleterious effects of the particular Information Field associated with the cell phone or land line phone the sound in the room becomes much closer to the sound that you would hear in an ideal world, I.e., a world without such subconscious interference that reduces the listener’s sensory perception. After the Teleportation Tweak is performed the listener can more easily hear the complete and undistorted sound that his system is FULLY CAPABLE OF PRODUCING, that the system was producing BEFORE the TT. In other words, the SOUND WAS IN THE ROOM THE WHOLE TIME, he just couldn’t fully appreciate the sound quality since his hearing ability had always been in a degraded state and not up to the level he always assumed it was.

So maybe Michael and Bobby shared a few peace pipes. It appears as if you were an early disciple and test subject of Timothy Leary based on your somewhat schizoid mentation. Maybe I am dim, but I do not understand the paragraph referenced above. Time to call in the experts for an explanation. ;)...."

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Actually it’s not schizoid. It’s just that the whole freewheeling information field/Morphic Resonance subject has been largely overlooked by audiophiles, or dismissed as hokum. It just hasn’t been discussed much. So whenever any reference to information fields pops up audiophiles tend to react as you just did, with dismay. ;-) Everything is not cut and dry in audio land. Please note quite a few of my products are based on information fields and Morphic fields. Some of these products have been around like forever. The clever clock, Teleportation Tweak, Morphic Message Labels, the Quantum Temple Bell, and Pretzel Logic Reef Knot ( a PWB product). So when I say the immediate environment affects the sound I’m not referring to room acoustics, at least not in the traditional sense. What you don’t see can hurt you. ;-)

So, how do I define the word technical? Anything to do with physical reality. Follow?

geoff at Machina Dynamica



Well, one of the trolls has checked in. Would it help if I typed slower?