Time to choose: Baerwald, Lofgren, Stevenson ?


I’ve managed Dr.Feickert Analog Protractor for a decent price (build quality is superb, such a great tool).

Time to play with Baerwald, Lofgren, Stevenson alignments on my Luxman PD444.
Need advice from experienced used of the following arms:
Lustre GST 801
Victor UA-7045
Luxman TA-1
Reed 3P "12
Schick "12

Baerwald, Lofgren, Stevenson ? What do you like the most for these arms?
Manufacturers recommend Baerwald mostly. 

Dedicated "7 inch vinyl playback deserve Stevenson alternative, maybe?
Since it's a smaller format than normal "12 or "10 inch vinyl, it's like playin the last track's according to position of grooves on '7 inch (45 rpm) singles. RCA invented this format, i wonder which alignment did they used for radio broadcast studios.   

Thanks

chakster

Chakster mentioned Feickert in OP.  Great device based on the Dennison Soundtractor, gets excellent results as long as it's used properly. 

One thing often overlooked - an arc protractor is only accurate if your mounting distance is perfect (factory).  If the factory is mounting an arm they didn't make, you might want to check it with a conventional protractor. 

**Seems to me that a very slight error in implementing Lofgren A/B or Baerwald, or Stevenson, one that still results in two null points on the surface of the LP, is not going to make a huge difference in one's experience of the sound thus derived.**

+1  Although it depends on resultant nulls.

Chakster,

I bet you'll wind up with Loefgren alignment.  Both nulls are within the recorded part of a 7".  Error will be much less through most of song.  Stevenson will be better at the end, but much worse up until there.

fleib

Chakster mentioned Feickert in OP. Great device based on the Dennison Soundtractor, gets excellent results as long as it's used properly.

Both of those protractors are flawed because they assume the cantilever is perfectly aligned within the cartridge, which is quite often not the case. That's why I prefer a mirrored protractor that actually aligns the cantilever.


Dear @lewm : """  within less than an +/-0.5mm margin of error, """, that's almost the overhang diference between Löfgren B and Baerwald. 

If we made an accurate overall cartridge/tonearm set up with either Löfgren or Baerwald it´s almost imposible that you or anay one else can  detect differences in the quality level performance. Against Stevenson things could be diferent because higher set up differences in the main parameters and with higher distorions overall Stevenson.

In both cases we can make it more " easy " if we know what to look for in the tests listening process.

Now, all we need is the MINT LP that's a dedicated protractor for the TT/tonearm/cartridge and for only 100.00. Makes no sense to spend ( because  is not an investment. ) any little dime over that cost because we can't achieve in true any single advantage but more " problems " for those expensive protractors you own or other people owns.

As a fact and I posted several times about no one of us should spend a single dime in protractors if the tonearm manufacturers takes its own/self critical responsability with their customers to delivery the tonearm with an ACCURATE  and user friendly protractor !!!!!, it's his responsability not us one but we are the ones that already liberated them from that main manufaturer responsability. 

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Cleeds, My Dennison has alignment lines for the cantilever and I believe the others also have this. I also have a mirrored protractor and results are the same.

Raul, An arc protractor is great if and only if mounting distance is in exact agreement with specification. Otherwise it's useless. The other protractors mentioned are based on where the pivot is actually located, not where it theoretically should be.

Why spend $100 on a Mint? You can go to Conrad's site and generate one for free.

Hi Raul,

I agree with you that a tonearm manufacturer should provide an alignment tool with their product. It’s in their best interest that the customer have the best chance of achieving a good setup.

Lew -

An arc protractor can get you to within .001" of tracing the arc - limited only by your patience. I had forgotten about Conrad’s site. I’ve never tested it against the ones I produce with my CAD software.

As noted above, an arc protractor is specific to a single tonearm effective length, and you now have a website that will generate a protractor for you. If your printer takes card stock paper, you’re all set.

I stopped following the "other" protractor thread when the manufacturer refused to reveal his chosen alignment. It’s his choice and I respect that, but at the same time it leaves me no way of validating the accuracy and REPEATABILITY of adjustments made using his tool.

Parenthetically, I might add that I’ve seen some very good setups done with a Feickert. My preference for an arc protractor is that it eliminates any and all ambiguity.

If you think about any tool which depends on your siting down your cantilever at one or two spots, you’ll realize that the manner in which an arc protractor magnifies pivot-spindle/overhang errors lends a dramatically higher level of precision and it does matter.

For sake of argument, let's assume you have a 0.5mm overhang error in your setup.  If you rotated your arc protractor so that you can land the stylus on the inner (lead out) side of the arc, and and (without rotating the protractor) you swing the arm over the lead-in (outer) side of the arc the stylus will be several mm from the arc. 

This is can be confusing when someone is first learning how to use an arc protractor because they think they may have a 2, 3, or 4 mm overhang error.  Once you understand this "error magnification" however, it is a huge benefit in terms of enabling precision adjustments.

If forced to choose, I would opt for getting one tonearm/cart set up perfectly rather than taking a buckshot approach of multiple tonearms with suboptimal tools. Yes, I appreciate the fun of playing with multiple arms, but I’m a patient guy and would rather get one thing right than many things wrong.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier Design