Whats on your turntable tonight?

rushton, astro58go and All,

I do not want to highjack the thread, so please let me know if I should start a new thread for this question.......

I've seen many mentions of "original pressing" or "1st pressing" in this thread. My question is regarding how to tell if a record is really a first pressing or an original pressing? Is there a standard labeling scheme that identifies the pressing? If not, how do you know?

reubent,

Great question!  I've looked into it. The answers I received were basically, time and experience.

I know Fremer is very knowledgeable here. You'd have to have a full time job in deciphering the dead wax/meanings to be an expert. He is the guru.

Regarding my mentioning of the Black Dub lp. I know it's a first pressing by the very fact that I ordered it the day I heard it was released. Since then, I know by my ongoing (looking) that it has be re-issued once domestically and  Music On Vinyl has their version. (Most MOV are digital files, mostly sounding very good). I've had great luck with MOV, but, I think my pressing would be desirable?

From my meager understanding, regarding pressings I say are 1st  or close... early pressings of say 60's/70's have in their dead wax on the matrix #'s ..for example 1A, 4A, .... or sometimes the letter/number can be reversed.... for instance B4= side 2...4 stamper/mother. I'm no expert, but this should give you some idea.

I'm still learning. Here is one I'd like deciphered...

My favorite lp ever, "Bookends", the copy I most listen to is..

Side one...XSM  11887  1F
Side two...XSM   11888   1B

I found this one for $1.00 at a church yard sale.

We are all learning.


Happy Listening!

I seem to recall a link on Audio Asylum that will give a general description on various labels and matrix #s meanings?

I choose to spend my listening.

Cheers!

In the end, for me, I listen/buy so much, that I rely on my ear to tell me which pressing sound the best. I can relate that time frame to others. As far first hand knowledge on any specific older pressing, I defer to what sounds best to me and try and go from there. This method, (without total knowledge behind the #s), brings me the most joy.

reubent, I agree with astro58go: Good question. And astro offers a nice introduction to the topic. One could go on and on and on about how to determine the answer for particular LPs and record labels. But, here’s the thing...

First pressings are not the right guide to finding the best sounding records. So, what are you looking for? If it is "collectability" then yes, seeking out first pressings may make a record more collectable and therefore more valuable. Similar to first editions of books.

But if your objective is finding the BEST SOUNDING pressing, first pressings are not always the best. Generally speaking, earlier MIGHT be better. If it is from the first master, first mother, first stamper off the mother, first few records off that particular stamper... But there are so many variables:

• When during the pressing run with that particular stamper was this record pressed? There is NO WAY to tell this and stampers wear out.
• What quality vinyl was used during the pressing run? Good or poor? Noisy?
• Was this even a really good mastering job that created the lacquer or was better mastering done in a latter generation? Who was the cutting engineer?
  
• Was the temperature of the vinyl going into the press optimal? Did it cool optimally before being removed from the stamper?

I will buy multiple copies of the same record for $1 each from the used bins and then compare them by listening. I often find that new "high quality" remasterings made in recent years outperform many of my early pressings of the same records, PROVIDED the master tape is in good condition (always a challenge as tape ages).

Of all the indicators I know to watch for in looking for good pressings, they are the mastering and cutting engineers and what in what pressing plant the record was made. So, I DO examine the deadwax when buying used records. For some of the codes in the deadwax, see:
https://richmondaudiosociety.com/2012/07/02/dead_wax_inscriptions/

Overall, I’ve long ago given up on obsessing over first pressings for the sake of finding a first pressing.