You are right and I am wrong; however, understand I use isolation in the loosest sense for all Audiogon community backgrounds. The correct term that Star Sound uses on its platforms are "Energy transfer systems". Is Star Sound into sales or consulting?? With that in mind, you get the gist I believe about savvy name engineering. Thanks for bringing this to our attention though!!! The important thing Agear is what you try may not work for me or Geof. You really have to try the product in your system and in your own sound room for a few weeks minimum and that is all that is important no matter what you want to call your approach to vibration control. I told my son that Star Sound Technology platforms are just great big peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and he gets it.More importantly, if your wife and kids can hear a difference in your system with and without springs then you are onto something.
Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?
Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late. Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room"). The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why? Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
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I’m utterly unconcerned with seismic vibration, although I do have vibrapods under things and a set of groovy cones (had those for many years…they look GREAT) under my preamp to add ventilation and because they look cool. All costing me very little money. Maybe I’ve addressed this issue accidentally in my home rig, but in live concert situations using 1000 watt amps and subs, I simply don’t see that any isolation potential exists. My main beef is with claims of substantial and audible improvements from uber expensive racks and $500 metal feet. Silliness in my view, and Barry Diament seems as delusional as geoffkait, although that might be a stretch. Note that I use guitar amps that have the speakers in the box with the amp…seismic indeed.Seismic is good unless you are performing SEM and need absolute stillness and then maybe springs make sense or something along these lines: http://www.kuzma.si/zerovibe-6050p.html . Speaking of 1000 watts and subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hBXr3aJus Robert from SS comes from a Pro Audio background.... |
Oops. That is now a dude link. Here it is Wolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAoJ_-Bl2Ig |
I am still waiting to hear from you or anyone else a corollary in audio. Furthermore, even if you could lock into a given finding, would blinded audio nerds or lay people know the difference?I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before in this thread, if not, I’ve mentioned it elsewhere so here it is again: We own a Scully LP mastering lathe equipped with a Westerex 3D cutter head. You can see it on our facebook page. The lathe sits on a special anti-vibration platform via a set of adjustable stainless steel points. The platform in turn sits on a custom table built for the lathe that also has adjustable points going into the floor. Now the lathe, platform and table were built about 1948 (the cutter head about 1959). Clearly they understood the issues of vibration affecting performance that long ago. Are suggesting that things that we knew nearly 70 years ago ago is no longer knowledge? Or are you just not aware that the history of stands and things like anti-vibration platforms and Tip-Toe-style points have been around a whole lot longer than you thought?? Clearly the effects are measurable (and audible too) and its not rocket science as you’ve been suggesting. |
Believe it or not, isolation is like everything else - system dependant! Almost two years ago I received a Baetis Reference music server with custom Sillpoint footers and the Stillpoints did absolutely nothing to improve the server's sound. So, I removed the Stillpoint footers and placed the Baetis unit on a Star Sound Technologies Apprentice isolation platform and the unit came to life, in fact, it sounded like a totally different unit and this is no lie. Needless to day, I sold the Stillpoints. The bottom line is like everything else...you have to try what you are considering to determine if the investment is worth the return. BEFORE you invest in isolation be sure to 1) completely have your component settled/burned in and 2) make sure you anally voice your speakers to your room. Proper setting up and voicing your speakers to you room is something many people overlook drastically robbing them of the performance. Spend the time to voice your speakers to your room (and not the other way around as so many people do). When you achieve this, you will hear stuff in your music that you never heard before. At this point you can consider isolation properties. Some great pics of Star Sound Technologies isolation products appear on my Auduogon virtual system here:Beautiful system and part of the world you live in and VERY sage advice regarding speaker setup. That is no joke and much trickier than philes understand. |
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