The Palladian-A step beyond


The new cartridge from Acoustical Systems may finally be the LOMC to fully realise the theoretical advantages of the genus.
And convince those long-suffering audiophiles to whom the 'modern' MC presentation has been anathema to 'live sound'....that the realism of vintage LOMCs like the SPUs and FR-7 series has finally been recaptured 👀
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**Why do they dominate the high end? **

I think you know.  Despite their limitations, "they do have the undeniable virtue of costing more." 

What would you use on your Thorens  or Goldmund Reference, a Shure V15?  How about a beautiful Koetsu to adorn that throne, and when the tip wears you get a replacement for half price. The sound is lush, and dare I say romantic?  Not your cup of tea?  Maybe a Veritas will get those high frequencies for the hard of hearing. Too forward?  Then the Benz is for you. You'll get perspective like you wouldn't believe. It sounds as if your stereo is across the street, but it's perfect for those Altec horns in that small room of yours above the garage.  It's a shame, but the wife is sensitive you know.


**Why do they dominate the high end? **

I think you know. Despite their limitations, "they do have the undeniable virtue of costing more."

You've both got it.....😎
When those with 'means', have $200,000 speakers driven by $160,000 monoblocks with $40,000 line-stages preceded by $20,000 phono-stages driven by $120,000 turntables with $35,000 tonearms......it is unthinkable to run it all with a $600 MM cartridge...😱
So I don't blame the cartridge manufacturers.....
They essentially have no choice.
It's not a question of 'how' a cartridge sounds.....
The only question is...."Does it sound good enough to justify a $10,000-$18,000 price-tag?"
Because no-one who buys a high-end LOMC will ever compare it to a $300 vintage MM or even a $1,500 vintage LOMC in their 1/2 million dollar systems.
And those that do......will rarely be taken seriously 😴
So of course the 'wannabe high-end' audiophiles who can never afford the costs associated with a full-blown high-end system, can just possibly stretch to the 'same' esoteric LOMC (or its close relative).
In this way.....having a $4,000-$6,000 LOMC on their $3,000 tonearm on their $2,500 turntable makes them believe that they are approaching the analogue 'nirvana' of their brethren.
While the majority of audiophiles running their $200-$900 modern MM cartridges are wondering if they will ever taste the 'joys' of the LOMC elite.....
And so it will continue to be.....👐
Dear @fleib : """  Given your criteria for a great cart (sounding live), you might like the Acoustical Systems offerings? """

NO, I do not and for very good reasons:

knowing the audio history of the AS owner his products is and reflects ( can't do in a diferent way because if diferent then all what he personally  " touted " was totally a lier/false ) his music-audio preferences/priorities: mega-heavy weigth BD TTs, love for FR 66 tonearm performance quality level, tube and SUT technology on electronics, etc, etc, and his extremely high marketing level along : bla, bla, bla, bla with out evidence that can prove what he said/say ( here on Agon he never gaves any single " scientific " evidence of what he " touted " and when he always said he had a very high scientist/engeneering levels. ).

The today members of his " bandwagon " here in Agon and elsewhere in the net are the same for years. Ignorant people about real and true music/sound reproduction, nothing more.

The reviews here reflects exactly that, all them including him : LOVES VERY HIGH DISTORTIONS .

In the next links we can read what true cartridge designer experts contribute and contributed ( real knowledge levels and its own growing up history with real facts as foundation. ) through many many years doing that, even VDH invented the VDH stylus profile/shape: VDH 1 and VDH 2 that are under patents. Read this and read the Palladian description and you and any one else can understand what I mean about:

http://www.ortofon.com/hifi/products/hifi-cartridges/mc-anna/magnet-and-damping 

http://www.dynavector.com/products/cart/frame.html 

http://benzcartridges.com/products/gullwing-s/ 

http://lyraanalog.com/atlas/   

http://www.vandenhul.com/products/phono/the-colibri


Btw, any one can " make " a new cartridge: you, Halcro or me can do it, just ask one of the few builders out side as Scan-Tech and that's it: the new FLEIB cartridge flagship.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear @bluewolf : Yes, this is a hobby and for some one of us a really serious hobby.

Btw, not here but everywhere I can't remember that some gentleman whom invested megabuks dollars in an audio item dislikes it or comment against it.

 Please, follow enjoying that: what you like because at the end what is important is exactly that and not what other people could think about.


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.


Dear @fleib : Don’t " distress with that " touted " alignment true information with facts that can prove what he said.

Let me explain on that, a little:

as I said he is more a marketing expert and " talk man " than a true analog expert.

In the past when posting here he always talks of: " the master him self " in reference to some one in Japan ( he never gave the name. ) or "" for man years every one in Japan knew that FR alignment " in reference to change the pivot to spindle distance for around 2mm. ( only a manipulation. ) but the first time he posted he gave him the primice to thing on that ( discovery by hi9m self ) but latter on and trhough the net appeared that he was liying endorsing him as the author. He always: bla, bla, bla, thinking all the people around the world are stupid or have not internet or he think no one can navegate through to read the true.

Here you can read of what I said here:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/micro-sx-8000-ii-or-sz-1/post?postid=368218#368218

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/micro-sx-8000-ii-or-sz-1/post?postid=368205#368205

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/micro-sx-8000-ii-or-sz-1/post?postid=368215#368215

all those were coments on what dertonarm osted.

We can read even on his " scientist and engeneering " so high levels here:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/why-is-the-price-of-new-tonearms-so-high/post?postid=369362#3...

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/why-is-the-price-of-new-tonearms-so-high/post?postid=369383#3...

in that thread kirkus hitted him too. Where are his scientist/engennering high level?.

He never showed and even today inside his products he still can’t. He is a clever person taking ( always ) advantage of audiophiles high ignorance level as his " bandwagon gentlemans ".

Look how clever. In his site he shows a comparison made it by Gecom of germany between his Smartractor and two other tractors to show that his product is " unique " and this is what we can read there:

""""

First we made a measurement of a combined alignment with the Ortofon and Clearaudio protractors. The summary klirr factor (distortion factor) was measured and weighted over the whole record side.

The result was 1.22 % distortion.

Following this we aligned the very same tonearm/cartridge combination with the SMARTractor and repeated the measurement.

The result was 0.48% distortion. """


for any rookie that was : OOH!. First that was an average measure and second the spindle hole in those protractors are wrong and they showed this:


"""

One of the least expensive protractors is from Ortofon.

With this protractor the spindle hole was way too large. """ and the other:


"""

the protractor made by Clearaudio.

The effective length of the tonearm is marked in steps of 1 mm - with a resolution of 0.2 mm.

The center drill for the spindle has significant play - approximately 0.5 mm """


MINT LP protractor that’s very inexpesive and highly accurated can meet at least that 0.48% distortion touted by him in his Smartractor. Again bla, bla, bla and more blabla.

Over his audio life that’s what he did it and not only taking advantage of my ignorance level but the in good people faith like this:

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?6502-Refund-problem

@chad-rutherford , interesting all those.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Btw, he said that Analog Planet is wrong about the unidin alignment comparison.

Two things there: first was not M.Fremer but Wally ( the Wallyprotractor designer. ) and second why if is something wrong ( as he stated. ) with a public comparison in a product he has on sale not go there and posted why is wrong???? at the end M.Fremer site is very well regarded.

makes sense to you?

Sitll more bla, bla, bla