One sub, a two channel system ,one HT reciever ??


I have a nice two channel system that uses the Pre Out's of a HT reciever to a line input of my preamp to integrate the HT system with my two channel gear.

Right now, the sub is driven by the LFE of the HT reciever and bypasses the sub's crossover and it works well.

To use the sub with my two channel gear... it would appear that I take the power amp out put to the speaker inputs and then the speaker out's to the speakers and set the sub crossover where I want.

However, the manual says use either the line level input OR the speaker level inputs but not both.

a) what happens if I screw up and fail to unplug them appropriately

b) Is there a clever way to hook up the sub with my two channel system and the HT system?
tcatman
When you use the line level in and out you are using the crossover and rolling your main speakers off at the subs crossover point.

On some equipment this can be a limitation yes. However, I think there are preamps out there that allow you to have control over each speaker individually so the sub can be crossed over or not and the speakers can be crossed over of not.

I'd look into the Anthem D1 or D2 if you want a high quality HT preamp with plenty of flexibility and that could also serve as a source for a decent two channel system or a two channel + sub system.
If your receiver folds the LFE channel into the mains when set to (large mains-no sub)....you can simply add something like the Paradigm X-30 crossover (around $100 used)into the system. (or any other good crossover on the market).

It would connect like this:

Two channel preamp>>Paradigm X-30>>Mains and sub. This sends the fullrange signal from the receiver, to the preamp. The preamp feeds it to the Paradigm crossover. The paradigm crossover filters the mains and subwoofer, or...just the subwoofer if you want to run the mains fullrange. (a second set of preamp outs required or splitter cable for this method).

I don't agree 100% with "Stanwal" on his second choice option being better....but don't really dis-agree 100% either.

Running the mains fullrange, is speaker dependent (the main speakers). The speaker level connection method assumes that the mains have a smooth low freq's response....many small ported designs are anything but. So....this method depends.

I also don't agree with this:

"The critical factor is not having to run your signal through the crossover".

If this were true (critical), we would all be using single driver speaker systems. Sometimes the gains, more than make up for any loss.

Note: My options also depend on a few things.

Dave
My equipment is Kef 104 /2's (with a Kef Kube external line level cross over currently not being used)
Audio Research LS 15
Classe Ca 2200 Power amp.
Yamaha 650 HT reciever.
Velodyne DLS-3750R sub
Levinson transport and Sonic Fronteirs DAC

The Velodyne sub has a variable cross over. Which is now set to off because the HT Reciver is managing the cross over point for HT material.

The reciever has a lfe output which I am using now for HT.

In two channel mode... I just switch inputs on the LS15 and leave the HT equpment off.

So, from what I understand I could do this.

I set the yamaha to large mains and No sub.
Ditch the LFE output to LFE line level input.
connect the sub by going from the power amp to the speaker input left and right of the sub and then from the speaker outputs to the KEF 104's. Then set the cross over on the sub to 120 Hz. Then run the reciever's auto calibration with the main LR channel set to 12 oclock on the volume control. This calibrates all of the surround and .1 channels.

This way I get the benfit of using the sub for music with the bass limited kef's and keep the LFE info from HT material going to the sub as well using the yamaha's processor.

Am I off base here?
Thanks for the reply's
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The idea behind not running the signal through a crossover is that it represents an additional degradation of the signal before it has been amplified, a degradation here can never be recovered. The crossover inside speakers represent a division of frequencies of an ALREADY AMPLIFIED signal and has far less effect on the sound. I am unfamiliar with multichannel systems and so don't understand the purpose of setting the crossover at 120hz but in operation no sub should EVER be set this high. Anything operating in that range is not a sub but a woofer. I run my subs as low as possible, I never have the sub crossover set above 40hz. In this way the output of the sub is nondirectional and it supplements the bass of the main speakers instead of interfering with it. Again I am writing from the perspective of 2 channel sound and of someone who uses subs with response below 20hz. The Nelson Reed was specified to do 120db at 20hz and extend to 16hz. The REL and HSU will go almost as low but not nearly as loud; they don't have 8 12" Volt drivers as the Nelson Reed.