VTL TL7.5 series lll VS VAC Master Line Stage VS AR Ref 6 VS Nagra Classic Preamp


I'm putting up a new thread about some of the best tube preamps out there.
My future system will consist to begin with of a stereo amp or monoblocks, a preamp, a DAC and a separate streamer, later on will come phono stage + turntable.
This system will be driving a pair of Thiel CS 3.7s and a pair of CS 7.2s.
If i don't go the hybrids route with either Ypsilon or Aesthetix i will probably choose d'Agostino amps.
Therefore since i'm using Thiel speakers i would like to have some tubes somewhere in the chain.
With ss amp i would use a tube preamp.
Which of these preamps do you thing will give best results with very good ss amps like the D'agostinos ?
You can suggest other tube preamps if you have other ideas in the same league as these.
Thanks.


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I have an all ARC system. That is my personal favorite with Wilson speakers. I have also had the ARC Ref 40 in house with the D’Agostino Momentum stereo amp which sounded fabulous. I believe ARC pres and Dag amps are a very popular combination. Check out the virtual systems of Dag owners here and you will see that when they want tubes in the mix, it’s usually ARC.
However, I have heard all of these brands and each sounds great but each has a different "house sound". It will all come down to personal preference. I believe all would sound great with Thiels which are also very revealing but musical. I suggest that you ask people with Thiel speakers or dealers who sell Thiel. Lastly, some manufacturers will give you some guidance if you press them. Or at least they may tell you the leading brands that their customers often purchase. My guess is that ARC and VTL lead the pack in sales but that doesn’t mean they will be best for you. They are radically different sounding although neither is "colored". They simply project sound in a different way.
Do you guys think the VTL TL7.5 be a good match with d'Agostino amps and Thiel speakers ?
Did any of you compare VAC and VTL preamps ?
At the budget you have you might take a look at a used Dartzeel pre. Check out M Fremers ARC Ref 6 review in Stereophile. He compares it to the Dart pre.. You won't need tubes with the Dart in the system. FWIW

If you have any interest in the Dartzeel I'd contact Jonathan Tinn at Blue Light Audio about availability of used units. He's the U.S. distributor and a super guy. I wish this preamp was in my budget.