Audiotroy and Kuppe38
You both have no shame and, more importantly, no credibility. And neither of you read well. As I have said on numerous occasions, Audiotroy is a salesman at Audiodoctor who should be banned form trying to sell his gear on Audiogon. Period. As of a few years ago with our former moderators, that would have already happened without my input. Audiotroy is doing no one a service, especially his breathlessly hyperbolic dealer, Audio Doctor, by trolling a Wilson thread to show Wilson owners the light of what he tries to sell as a better product. It frankly doesn't matter if he truly believes it. I know and patronize many dealers who think what they sell is the best there is and have every right to do so. Imagine if one rep from every dealer trolled threads regarding products they do not sell to show everyone on that thread the light with respect to the stuff they do sell. It would destroy the forum. That's exactly what Audiotroy is doing.
Re: the Personas. In fact, I liked them and said that I expect them to be well reviewed and a bargain at that. I liked them at the NY audio show. I have since heard them at a dealer NOT Audiodoctor-- and my opinion has not changed. They are very good, a bit hard and bright (you call transparent). But they are not world beaters. But I will say that Paradigm is a great speaker company with excellent R&D and resources who has always made great speakers for the money and should be proud of their first entry in the high end. If one thinks they are better than $100,000 Kharmas as Audiotroy once said, they are free to believe that .
I own Wilsons but I am not a fanboy and I have owned many other brands. In fact, I thoroughly enjoy speakers from Rockport, Focal, Kef, Legacy, ATC, Harbeth, Verity, TAD and others too numerous to mention --- all of which have many different positive traits and all of which, on any given day, I would consider among the best speakers I have ever heard and would consider purchasing.
Let's check out the newly minted Kuppe38 who says I have no integrity and that I should not slander a dealer who cares about its clients. I would never do that. I know way too many dealers who genuinely care about their clients and get much joy out of providing them with gear that provides the client with a greater insight into the music. But they don't do their selling here. My point is that we should keep dealer or manufacturer shills off this site. So far Audiotroy is one of only 4 such manufacturer dealer reps that I have consistently come across in my years here who unabashedly promotes his products. One other quit after he was hounded off (not by me) and banned by the former moderator. The other 2 are professionals who inform all on this community with their engineering intelligence and expertise and they NEVER push their own products like the ever shameless AudioDoctor crew.
So Kuppe38, before you criticize anyone, try living on the site for a few years, get a feel for how this audio community is supposed to work and you may come to understand that it is set up for you and me and people like us --NOT DEALERS. I say this because you made your very first post to Audiogon within the past 3 weeks. Since then you have had 4 other posts all of which laud Audio Doctor and your visits there to hear the Personas and the Legacys. You also make 2 baseless statements (among others) that I want to address. First, you imply that I am gullible to believe Wilson's sales pitch wherein Dave claims to have tested various diamond, beryllium and other exotic tweeters and rejected them.
In fact, I did not believe that but came to learn it was true. I suggest you take a tour of the Wilson factory which I have done (as I have with 3 other speaker manufacturers) where I actually saw those tweeters which Dave had in the listening room. They were all there.
Second,--get your facts straight, Vandersteen does not use beryllium drivers. Beryllium tweeters can be wonderful or hot depending on the implementation. Some say balsa or carbon fibre or silk dome are better, but it's all matter implementation and taste.
I will say nothing more on this topic as I have wasted too much of my valuable time scolding Audiotroy for his bad form. I have no skin in this game as he and his acolyte do. I am done. You 2 may now say what you will.
Apologies to 996Cupracer for taking up space on a thread but someone has to say it. Congrats again. Enjoy your speakers and let us know what you think after they have been installed.
You both have no shame and, more importantly, no credibility. And neither of you read well. As I have said on numerous occasions, Audiotroy is a salesman at Audiodoctor who should be banned form trying to sell his gear on Audiogon. Period. As of a few years ago with our former moderators, that would have already happened without my input. Audiotroy is doing no one a service, especially his breathlessly hyperbolic dealer, Audio Doctor, by trolling a Wilson thread to show Wilson owners the light of what he tries to sell as a better product. It frankly doesn't matter if he truly believes it. I know and patronize many dealers who think what they sell is the best there is and have every right to do so. Imagine if one rep from every dealer trolled threads regarding products they do not sell to show everyone on that thread the light with respect to the stuff they do sell. It would destroy the forum. That's exactly what Audiotroy is doing.
Re: the Personas. In fact, I liked them and said that I expect them to be well reviewed and a bargain at that. I liked them at the NY audio show. I have since heard them at a dealer NOT Audiodoctor-- and my opinion has not changed. They are very good, a bit hard and bright (you call transparent). But they are not world beaters. But I will say that Paradigm is a great speaker company with excellent R&D and resources who has always made great speakers for the money and should be proud of their first entry in the high end. If one thinks they are better than $100,000 Kharmas as Audiotroy once said, they are free to believe that .
I own Wilsons but I am not a fanboy and I have owned many other brands. In fact, I thoroughly enjoy speakers from Rockport, Focal, Kef, Legacy, ATC, Harbeth, Verity, TAD and others too numerous to mention --- all of which have many different positive traits and all of which, on any given day, I would consider among the best speakers I have ever heard and would consider purchasing.
Let's check out the newly minted Kuppe38 who says I have no integrity and that I should not slander a dealer who cares about its clients. I would never do that. I know way too many dealers who genuinely care about their clients and get much joy out of providing them with gear that provides the client with a greater insight into the music. But they don't do their selling here. My point is that we should keep dealer or manufacturer shills off this site. So far Audiotroy is one of only 4 such manufacturer dealer reps that I have consistently come across in my years here who unabashedly promotes his products. One other quit after he was hounded off (not by me) and banned by the former moderator. The other 2 are professionals who inform all on this community with their engineering intelligence and expertise and they NEVER push their own products like the ever shameless AudioDoctor crew.
So Kuppe38, before you criticize anyone, try living on the site for a few years, get a feel for how this audio community is supposed to work and you may come to understand that it is set up for you and me and people like us --NOT DEALERS. I say this because you made your very first post to Audiogon within the past 3 weeks. Since then you have had 4 other posts all of which laud Audio Doctor and your visits there to hear the Personas and the Legacys. You also make 2 baseless statements (among others) that I want to address. First, you imply that I am gullible to believe Wilson's sales pitch wherein Dave claims to have tested various diamond, beryllium and other exotic tweeters and rejected them.
In fact, I did not believe that but came to learn it was true. I suggest you take a tour of the Wilson factory which I have done (as I have with 3 other speaker manufacturers) where I actually saw those tweeters which Dave had in the listening room. They were all there.
Second,--get your facts straight, Vandersteen does not use beryllium drivers. Beryllium tweeters can be wonderful or hot depending on the implementation. Some say balsa or carbon fibre or silk dome are better, but it's all matter implementation and taste.
I will say nothing more on this topic as I have wasted too much of my valuable time scolding Audiotroy for his bad form. I have no skin in this game as he and his acolyte do. I am done. You 2 may now say what you will.
Apologies to 996Cupracer for taking up space on a thread but someone has to say it. Congrats again. Enjoy your speakers and let us know what you think after they have been installed.
