Anyone with a high-end home theater sans sub?

Like a hitchhikers night out here!

I have some of the processing some of the meridian owners here have, plus a pair of Sophias, which have all the bass I need for music, however much like a listening session I did with a pair of excellently set up DSP 7000 (one drop down from 8000) the bass was good enough but not heavy enough to carry a lot of the LFE I seem to get in the action movies I watch.

I know Adidadi has a smallish room so his 5200s can make great use of it and pressurise it. I guess it depends on your room - and your taste.

Do bear in mind that the DSP 7000's have 1/3 the number of woofers as the DSP8000s - quite a difference.

First of all johnmcelfresh, your Meridian DSP8000's HAVE POWERED SUBS BUILT INTO THE SPEAKER! (what, like 6 8" ACTIVE woofers?). Essentially (no, correction, DEFINITELY!) your speakers are high end active minimonitors sitting on a powered bass module! So, dude?...I hate to tell ya, but you have some subs in your system! Just as the Infinity Prelude MTS and NHT modular series speakers are towers sitting on bass modules, so are the Meridian 8000's. So,your speakers are no different!

However, that said your speakers (subs!!) don't put out 118db at 18hz, I garantee it! Infact,they won't do 118db anywhere near down that low! 118db is an average of the speakers frequency response, probably around 1k! I'd bet you money your speakers won't do 118db bellow 30hz!!!

I ran a pair of Infinity Kappa 9 speakers in a home theater setup. The room was 22 ft by 70 ft. No sub was needed. The Kappas have two 12" woofers per tower. A subwoofer would have been overkill.

No way the Meridian will do 118 db at 18Hz. I could do that with my old system but it had 32 12" woofers. I ran that for quite some time and still miss my old speakers (Infinity IRS V mains, IRS Betas for surrounds and IRS Gamma for a center channel) but it is a rare system that doesn't need a sub.

Certainly there are more people who think they don't need a sub than ones who actually don't need a sub.