Equipment Rack

geoffkait
hi 
im sorry i am very new to these forums i was replying to you after you mentioned the Townshend audio you tube video , i thought you got the wrong end of the stick about the podiums im very sorry nothing i wrote was meant to offend , this thread i believe was regarding using stillpoints with or without a expensive rack, i personally do not like the changes stillpoints make to the electronics i have never tried them under loudspeakers, even stillpoints recommend isolating your speakers first once you have reduced or eliminated any vibrations from your speakers if you have the budget you could buy a nice rack , and yes you can then change the sound with the stillpoints as long as you have the room between the shelves. its a very expensive approach. i did this i used podiums for my speakers that completely eliminated floor vibrations i then used a seismic rack with adjustable shelves and then used the stillpoints SS and ultra 5 under my equipment , i didnt like the sound with the stillpoints so i sold the lot and the money i got paid for the podiums and the rack so i ended up with a much better sound than i started with and no stillpoints 

hi
i do not believe spending several thousand pounds on a rack is needed unless its made out of gold and diamonds, concentrate on speaker isolation have a good listen to your system with your speakers completely isolated from the room then decide if further isolation is required if you already have a rack cheap or expensive it doesnt matter try placing clearlight audio RDC cones underneath your equipment to see if you enjoy any further changes to the sound , for the money they are very good they seem to concentrate on improving the sound without any flavour or discolorations of there own.i would try your stillpoints under your loudspeakers talk to stillpoints for there exact recommendations but i seriously recommend you contact your local townshend audio dealer and arrange a demonstration of the seismic podiums everytime i have witnessed such a demo the sound becomes absolutely incredible it questions the need to isolate any further , if you like the podiums which i know you will you could buy the townshend  rack its  2500 dollars or so and has built in isolation pods at the bottom stopping any vibrations entering the rack. you can still further isolate with the seismic pods under your equipment in sets of 3 or 4 that would be the ultimate the complete job down, after going this route i found that the stillpoints really colour the sound the mini was ok a little forward the ss very full on and not natural sounding which was not what i wanted to achieve the ultra 5s cost an absolute fortune just had a price increase in the uk 670gbp each i believe i needed 8 to isolate my speakers and im not convinced or had any proof that they actually work like i said i sold all mine and have never looked back im getting magnificent sound now with the townshend products i hope my story helps good luck   

mains - you might possibly be mistaking me for someone else as I never mentioned the Townshend video. I am a strong proponent of isolating everything due to the deleterious effects on the audio signal of seismic vibrations - produced by traffic, wind, ocean tides, speaker feedback, subways, footfall, local construction projects, Earth crust motion, etc. Generally speaking I eschew racks since most of them exacerbate the floor borne seismic vibration although I can certainly appreciate that racks organize one’s components. I also do not favor any vibration isolation device that employs rubber or really any soft materials whether for damping or any other reason. As far as your experience goes, everyone has a story and yours is neither better or worse than another's. 

Shouldn't the source components be in a different room than the listener/ speakers so the sound waves don't vibrate the electronics?

hi geoffkait 
heres what im referring to 

geoffkait5,196 posts09-17-2016 11:11ammains
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09-17-2016 5:12am
YOUTUBE Townshend audio How to isolate speakers from ground borne vibrations.

while it is probably true that the Townshend isolation devices prevent structural ground borne vibrations from getting up into the speakers wouldn’t the more important function of the Townshend iso devices be to prevent the speaker vibrations from getting down to the floor thus possibly producing what we generally refer to as acoustic breakthrough? Besides the speakers are going to be vibrating whilst playing anyway, so there’s not much the Townshend iso devices can do to alleviate that speaker vibration and it’s affect on the internal crossover, speaker input connectors, wiring, etc. inside the speakers, no?

Excerpt from Townshend website:

"Seismic Isolation Podium

Designed as a range to accommodate any size and weight of speaker – standmount plus stand, floorstander or subwoofer – the Seismic Podium breaks the acoustic connection between the floor and the speaker, preventing the passage of deleterious vibrations both to and from the speaker cabinets. For a detailed explanation of why this is an absolute necessity before any speaker can perform to its true potential, read ‘Earthquakes on hi-fi’."

when im listening to music no energy from the speakers vibrates threw the floor, using podiums your speakers are completely isolated measured down to 4hz so i would confidently say acoustic breakthrough has been achieved down to a measured 4hz regards john