Has anyone had experiences good or bad with speaker isolation or isolation in general ?

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@geoffkait - Can you please recommend to me the products that can be placed on top of the cables at roughly the same places as the discs,that you sell, maybe i can then place the mpingo discs on top of the equipment to see if the results are better, or i wonder if i should keep with the mpingos threw out the system, if i win the lottery i would like to use all the Shun Mook products as they are working in my system, have you any experience with the rest of the Shun Mook range please,all your help is very much appreciated.

Geez, you aren’t asking for much. 😛 I have 30 products these days. I recommend ALL of them. I prefer not to get into games like is thing better than that thing as that can serve no real purpose.

hi geoff,
I completely understand, i will stay with the mpingo discs they seem to be doing a good job, they have found a permanent place in my system along with the Townshend seismic isolation products,
The ball bearings have replaced the RDC cones on the Townshend Seismic Platforms, more air detail resolution, since including the podiums my system is so much more transparent to tweaks and changes 
The sound quality is exceptional for quite a modestly priced system, proper speaker isolation has really put me on a path to great things, 
My advice is try the Townshend Podiums or the cheaper adjustable speaker bars, if your speakers are spiked your are not getting anywhere near the best out of your system 
In fact you are introducing vibrations threw the floor, walls, rack into your electronics and back into the speakers themselves adding Townshend Audio Seismic Podiums is a real ear opener its far from subtle audition a pair to hear what your system is capable of.

Almost all of the current vibration isolation devices, yes, including mine (the exception is the Minus K platform that gets down to sub Hertz performance). By performance I refer to the device’s resonant frequency under load. But wait! Resonant frequency is not where isolation occurs, it’s where the low pass filter characteristic starts. The real point where isolation occurs, or I should say STARTS TO OCCUR, for a particular direction is actually around 2 times the Fr. Thus for an iso device with Fr of 3Hz the isolation begins at around 6Hz. And even then the percentage of isolation effectiveness is quite low at 6Hz, maybe around 10% and at 10Hz maybe 30%. Robust isolation won’t occur until at least 20Hz, where effectiveness is around 95%. Above 20Hz effectiveness approaches 100% as frequency rises.

So, here’s the problem with almost all of the current batch of iso devices - they don’t go low enough to actually deal with much of the seismic energy produced by the Earth crust motion, traffic, subways, wind and other things which lies in the region 0 to 10Hz. And the main reason why the Fr of these iso devices cannot get down below 3Hz is because so many springs are required for stability. The spring rate for the device is calculated by multiplying the spring rate of one spring by the number of (steel or air spring) springs required, which is usually 3 or 4. The Fr of the device is the square root of the total Spring Rate divided by the total mass on the springs including any ballast (e.g., Vibraplane) and mass of top plate.

The Minus K achieves a sub Hertz Fr because it’s a much more complicated design (negative stiffness) than a relatively simple mass on spring like just about every other platform or stand. My Nimbus Sub Hertz platform of yore, sorry no longer available, achieved 0.5 Hz Fr in some directions because it used a single air spring. This single air spring design is almost impossible to construct because a single air spring is very floppy, so it’s like trying to balance yourself on a rubber pole. And it was limited to how much load it could isolate. But it could easily isolate about 35 lb. With sub Hetz performance now you’re talking some serious isolation effectiveness compared to the 3 Hz crowd. As I recall my spring based Promethean Base and the current mini Isolators can achieve around 2 Hz performance if you play your cards right. And my Nirvana dual layer design can get very close to sub Hertz performance, using two stages of heavy masses and springs.

@geoffkait of course another solution for proper seismic isolation is an active platform. These solutions offer 90% at 3Hz and 99% at 10Hz which is enough to make a meaningful difference in the range of interest. Of course they are a little expensive but dealing with this range (say 2-20Hz) is going to cost.

Illustrative data sheet and performance
http://www.herzan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/TS-Series-Data-Sheet.pdf

Folkfreak wrote,

"Of course they are a little more expensive."

I’d opine beyond the means of most people, in particular most people participating on this thread. Of course you can obtain Halcyonics or TLC or other expensive devices, even the Vibraplane and Minus K are not exactly inexpensive, but if you have many components to isolate one trusts you have really deep pockets for all active devices. Obviously for speakers the problem is a little, well, quite a bit different since the speakers only go down to what, 35Hz - if you’re lucky.