Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
sautan904
A great cable should be totally invisible when dealing with the signal. That's the problem with most cables.  They seem to have their own signature and this is why some use them to 'tune' their systems.  This is the biggest reason I have switched over to AQ cables.  I have had the MIT, Transparent, Nordost, Wireworld, Kimber, Cardas and so many more in the systems and have only really liked the AQ cables.  Again, my ear, but they seem to be the most neutral up and down the line. Right now I use the balanced Niagara interconnect between my Ayre QX5/20 and Ayre AX5/20.  I am using a generic UBS between the server and the DAC. I run an 8' length of Castlerock internal bi wired between the amp and the Vandersteen Quatro's.  

A friend sent me a pair of AQ Horizon's (the same as the top of the line WEL) that are silver along with my favorite USB the AQ Diamond.  I have had the diamond in and out of the system in the past and it makes a HUGE difference. As much to me as a double component upgrade.  The stock USB Belkin sucks.  I hate it.  It will be interesting to hear what the Horizon will sound like in my system.  I have heard the WBYonder a few times and felt that with so much silver, it really was musical and sounded like the components were almost hard wired to each other.  I felt it was that good, but couldn't afford it and if I could, I think I'd have put that money towards better electronics.  

I only have one audiophile cord in the system and it made a little difference.  Not enough for me to go out and buy expensive cords for everything also (the cord is a TOL Basis power cord that was given to me to try out).  I have found a bigger power difference by putting a Synergistic Research Powercell 10/Tesla into the rack (selling said unit) and now an AQ Niagara power unit.

These both lower the noise floor so much that you can hear the micro and macro details so much easier.  I'm floored by how much these units work. I also like the Denali conditioner.

To address folks who say wealthy people can afford a specific cable so it's not a big deal, I promise you it is. I am friends with many who own the 62k Vandersteen 7's with TOL component and cables.  Most of them can afford whatever they want, but like me, they audition products and figure if they are worth it.  Not just giving better sound (not just different sound) and is the cost/return worth it.  No different than many of us who will never afford those types of systems.  Incremental differences are personal choices and there is no right or wrong.  The market IS there so those engineers who say folks are hoodwinked make me laugh as they come across as always being correct, when in fact they are not correct based on the market for these high end cables.  You can't hoodwink that many folks who do audition products and most buy what sounds best for them and don't bother reading the boards.

That is based on sales.
Shadorne - I understand how you feel. I can now see how picking up one of those Denons of yours can make cables become less relevant. I can see how they remove colorations as well. We all learn every day and I guess today is my day to learn. 
Thank you 
Warren Buffet's cables?  I dunno - does he use the ones that are spares for his Bugatti Vayron?  You know, that car with the $25K tires (or $60K tyres, depending upon which link in your Google search you click.  Both apparently still need the $70K mounting process that can only be done in France...).

Sorry, couldn't resist.  So much for $15K tires or lipstick on the proverbial Pigg.  They apparently do exist - who'd a thunk it?

I guess the only question about stuff like speaker cable that I'd still have after all this (or the limited amount of this thread that I could read) is just how old is everyone who's measuring and commenting?  From what I was taught way back when, hearing acuity typically starts to decline after age 50 (but that can start as early as ~30) and by age 60 or so it is likely to be just a fraction of what a teenager can distinguish.  If you can hear the difference then the choice is yours - all that stuff really is everyone's free choice (and budget).  I know that for myself I had to face reality and admit that aging has likely had an impact.  Once I stopped pouting I (finally!) figured that meant I could save on a few such "luxury" expenditures and target more for our community - I still pout occasionally but I can live with that choice.  
Those who can afford them, swear by them.
Those who can't, do without.
Those who can, swear they can hear the differences.
Those who can't, can't really care.

And hasn't this issue been beat to a pulp enough?  It really starts taking on the appearance of an addiction to an odd form of conflict, a variant of 'he said/she said' with no end in sight or mind....

MHO...enjoy yourselves, I guess...;)